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captainrats 18th Jun 2018 09:59

QF 72
 

Capn Bloggs 18th Jun 2018 14:19

Good show. Well done, Bones and crew. :D

tail wheel 19th Jun 2018 00:19

Don't link via Facebook.

Direct link: https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...f52ff4387cf98b

donpizmeov 19th Jun 2018 00:24

Shouldn't have let you have a rest Pete . Good work crew .

EW73 19th Jun 2018 02:48

QF72
 
Of course, technical design of Airbus is that one never has direct control of the airplane. At best its either manual (with that silly sidestick), or through the autopilot(s), both electronic inputs, there is NO direct control available to the pilot.

mrdeux 19th Jun 2018 02:54

I'd have thought that was the case with any of the later FBW aircraft, irrespective of the size of their joysticks.

dr dre 19th Jun 2018 03:29

Great job by the crew, but I’m confused by this sentence in the article:


Using a military manoeuvre from his time in the navy, which was his best chance at recovering the aircraft if it pitched down again, a skilled Mr Sullivan successfully landed the plane at Learmonth airport.
I’ve read the ATSB report, they make no mention of any “military manoeuvre” performed that would have increased the chances of survival. From my understanding if the aircraft’s computer logic malfunctioned and suddenly caused it to have another pitch down event at that stage of flight there probably wasn’t anything the crew could’ve done to stop it. Are the press suggesting that if there had been wholly civilian trained pilots in the flight deck the chances of survival would have been decreased? I’ve seen that line of thinking being pushed a bit in the media lately, with regards to the Southwest Airlines uncontained engine failure incident especially.

Dee Vee 19th Jun 2018 06:51


Originally Posted by captainrats (Post 10175699)
terror-on-flight-qf72-

must be a slow news day, news.com.au dragging up a 10 year old incident!

Keg 19th Jun 2018 07:39

The Air Crash Investigation TV show just did an episode on the flight. That’s why it’s back in the news.

rubbish_binny 19th Jun 2018 10:12

"...including simultaneous warnings the plane was in stall and overspeed at the same time — an impossibility..."

hmmmmm

framer 19th Jun 2018 10:58

Hmmmmmm, I thought the same, maybe we should go back to flight school.

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 19th Jun 2018 11:30


Using a military manoeuvre from his time in the navy, which was his best chance at recovering the aircraft if it pitched down again, a skilled Mr Sullivan successfully landed the plane at Learmonth airport.
So repeatedly pulling back on the stick until the aircraft responds is something only the the US Navy teaches?

Traffic_Is_Er_Was 19th Jun 2018 11:32


second officer
There's your problem right there. Did he touch something?

donpizmeov 19th Jun 2018 12:16


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10176329)
Great job by the crew, but I’m confused by this sentence in the article:



I’ve read the ATSB report, they make no mention of any “military manoeuvre” performed that would have increased the chances of survival. From my understanding if the aircraft’s computer logic malfunctioned and suddenly caused it to have another pitch down event at that stage of flight there probably wasn’t anything the crew could’ve done to stop it. Are the press suggesting that if there had been wholly civilian trained pilots in the flight deck the chances of survival would have been decreased? I’ve seen that line of thinking being pushed a bit in the media lately, with regards to the Southwest Airlines uncontained engine failure incident especially.

Are you worried he didn't have enough 210 and wet season time?
Anyway his watch doesn't look nearly big enough to be a true ex knuckle head.

captainrats 21st Jun 2018 02:57

Captain Sullivan saved an aircraft 300 souls and the corporate future of both Qantas and Airbus
His career was ended by PTSD as a direct result of this event.His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history
https://www.thetvdb.com/series/mayday/episodes/6686077


mrdeux 21st Jun 2018 03:44


Originally Posted by captainrats (Post 10177884)
His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history.



Agreed.

Street garbage 21st Jun 2018 04:00


Originally Posted by mrdeux (Post 10177896)
Agreed.

..and just like Sonic in Japan....etc etc.

blow.n.gasket 21st Jun 2018 04:10

Hope it all works out for you Kev.
Enjoyed working with you.
Who’s inherited the “ Sh!t Magnet “ title at Qantas now that you’ve moved on ?

mrdeux 21st Jun 2018 04:11


Originally Posted by Street garbage (Post 10177902)
..and just like Sonic in Japan....etc etc.

That was even more of a blot...

Kev had a near miss with that one. He'd flown the aircraft to Japan.

LeadSled 21st Jun 2018 04:40


Originally Posted by captainrats (Post 10177884)
Captain Sullivan saved an aircraft 300 souls and the corporate future of both Qantas and Airbus
His career was ended by PTSB Aas a direct result of this event.His treatment by Qantas is a stain on its history

Captainrats,
PTSB A --?? I am not aware of this as other than an Irish bank.
I thought the Captain reached normal retirement with Qantas, that was the impression I got from an article published after he retired??
He certainly did a damned good job.
Tootle pip!!
PS: The B747-400 was prone to simultaneous high and low speed warnings, and a completely cocked up ADI speed display, but that was always a damaged AoA vane mechanical damage. The sights and sounds certainly added to the entertainment during takeoff and initial climb, where, in this case, it always became evident. Unlike Airbus, there was no effect on manual control. At least in the Boeing democracy, the pilot still has 51% of the votes.


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