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Old 16th Apr 2018, 09:32
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Qantas Australian pilot roadshows 2018

Just out of curiosity, how are the roadshows going? Would love to think decent numbers are attending but that is my question exactly.
I attended a road show in Adelaide in September last year. Very informative and seem to be quiet genuine, maybe optimistic, with regards to the required numbers in the coming 12 months of +400 across the group. No real specific details about any part of the group. But obviously my information might be some what outdated now.

Most likely an interesting year ahead.
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 09:47
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The road shows are being held just to gauge how many female pilots out here. This will give them an indication of how many female cadets they will need to employ when they start the training academy.

This is fact QF are actively only seeking female pilots. Good luck covering the mat leave in the next decade.

Qantas looks to women to solve looming pilot shortage
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 09:54
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Originally Posted by chickoroll View Post
The road shows are being held just to gauge how many female pilots out here. This will give them an indication of how many female cadets they will need to employ when they start the training academy.

This is fact QF are actively only seeking female pilots. Good luck covering the mat leave in the next decade.

Qantas looks to women to solve looming pilot shortage

So other than a media beat up article from over a month ago, do you have anything else to back this 'fact' up? Have you attended one of the roadshows?
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Old 16th Apr 2018, 09:58
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More like a year ago. And still looking for pilots, female or otherwise. Where all the fly girls at?!?!?
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Where all the fly girls at?!?!?
Yes! Gold star for the Blazing Saddles reference!!
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 03:12
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Good luck covering the mat leave in the next decade.
In this day and age? Really? A comment like this?

Fathers take paternity leave these days when babies are born. I wonder how that is being covered.

I seriously hope this comment was just a wind up.
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In this day and age? Really? A comment like this?

Fathers take paternity leave these days when babies are born. I wonder how that is being covered.

I seriously hope this comment was just a wind up.
May I suggest you review pregnancy and how it affects holding a Class 1 Pilot Medical before posting too much more feminazi propaganda.

The fact is that the current HR management won't have to deal with any leave issues they create by recruiting a large number of women now as by 7-10 years they will have moved on and it will be someone elses problem.

It will be interesting to see if airlines in general will be able to keep female pilots long term.

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Originally Posted by 4EvahLearning View Post
In this day and age? Really? A comment like this?

Fathers take paternity leave these days when babies are born. I wonder how that is being covered.

I seriously hope this comment was just a wind up.
It’s a legitimate concern. Are you aware of the difference in the length of maternity leave as opposed to paternity leave?
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 04:45
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No it was my lack of recent IF time apparently. I didn't even get a sim. The head of pilot recruitment called me and encouraged me to get some IF time and reapply in 12 months.

That's not the actions of an airline with a shortage. They were interviewing 40 people that week. They are still being picky.
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 08:17
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Qantas sideshows, err roadshows!

It would appear that the enormity of the demographic shortage is now a big concern in Fort Fumble.

Regional airline 'applicants' are thin on the ground.

Again Qantas pilots may know more, however in past ventures interest was high. We are informed that the capital city (Sydney and Melbourne) was approximately 25% of previous attendances.

The source stated concern is at a high level as crewing shortages increase pressure on executive management, both in regional subsidiaries and increasingly mainline.
Problematic appeared the gross number of applicants and the composition of the 'pool'

Internal applicants represented approximately 30% of total applicants, with total applicants less than 800.

With the released training totals (for Qantas pilots) this may well again be a topic of conversation at the next board meeting.

Executive management will be quietly hoping some sort of crisis emerges.
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 08:48
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Come on. Qf is recruiting like never before so it’s never been easier to get in than it is right now. If you’ve received a “thanks but no thanks” letter, I guarantee it wasn’t because of the girls.
No, it will be something far more stupid like ‘lacking company spirit’ or ‘lacking empathy’... both reasons that I have heard from unsuccessful internal male applicants.

And yes, I agree with sentiments above regarding maternity leave. A push to employ a larger than normal ratio of female pilots will result in a greater than normal amount of maternity leave in 5 or so years.
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No, it will be something far more stupid like ‘lacking company spirit’ or ‘lacking empathy’... both reasons that I have heard from unsuccessful internal male applicants.

And yes, I agree with sentiments above regarding maternity leave. A push to employ a larger than normal ratio of female pilots will result in a greater than normal amount of maternity leave in 5 or so years.
Isn’t that a good thing for the OT whores when all these extra sequences end up in open time?
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Regardless of anybody's view around maternity leave, it is actually unlawful for an employer to discriminate against a potential employee based on the potential for them to become pregnant.
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Regardless of anybody's view around maternity leave, it is actually unlawful for an employer to discriminate against a potential employee based on the potential for them to become pregnant.
Although, it’s apparently quite legal, in fact politically correct, for an employer to discriminate against a male applicant. To put in another way using your vernacular, the legality to discriminate against an individual, is inversely proportional to the likelihood of said individual becoming pregnant.
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Although, it’s apparently quite legal, in fact politically correct, for an employer to discriminate against a male applicant. To put in another way using your vernacular, the legality to discriminate against an individual, is inversely proportional to the likelihood of said individual becoming pregnant.
What specific examples do you have of this discrimination actually occurring in Qantas?
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What specific examples do you have of this discrimination actually occurring in Qantas?
Ask them about the ratio of male cadets who were unsuccessful vs the ratio of female cadets that were unsuccessful of those that were forced to slum it on the turboprop fleet when mainline had them all reapply for their jobs.
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 10:42
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post

Internal applicants represented approximately 30% of total applicants, with total applicants less than 800.
Your source’s numbers regarding total applicants for mainline positions are under done by about 25%. The numbers of internals are about 25% of that larger number.

Still not great numbers given 200-300 may have been those who missed out last year.
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What specific examples do you have of this discrimination actually occurring in Qantas?
I believe it was said more in a general sense, rather than being specific to Qantas.

However if we want to be specific, we can look straight towards our own government when it comes to women going into the Air Force.

Minimum period of service for male pilots - 11.5 years.
Minimum period of service for female pilots - 6 years.
Female university students also have exclusive access to the Graduate Pilot Scheme.

They claim that the Graduate Pilot Scheme is only in a 'trial' period and they'll open it to men as well after that trial period, however it has been on a trial period for years and it's obvious that's just their attempt to protect themselves from accusations of discrimination.
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Originally Posted by FLGOFF View Post
I believe it was said more in a general sense, rather than being specific to Qantas.

However if we want to be specific, we can look straight towards our own government when it comes to women going into the Air Force.

Minimum period of service for male pilots - 11.5 years.
Minimum period of service for female pilots - 6 years.
Female university students also have exclusive access to the Graduate Pilot Scheme.

They claim that the Graduate Pilot Scheme is only in a 'trial' period and they'll open it to men as well after that trial period, however it has been on a trial period for years and it's obvious that's just their attempt to protect themselves from accusations of discrimination.
My comments were of a general nature, and not specific to Qantas.

In fact the RAAF was forefront in my thinking when making that comment. My nephew has just been through the whole RAAF pilot recruitment nightmare. After being recommended in the top 25% of applicants following his flight screening he was not offered a position in the RAAF. The Navy took him instead.

I was told by a good mate I served with, who’s still in the RAAF, that this year’s ADFA RAAF Pilot intake only took TEN MALES the rest of the intake was reserved for women only. Usually a course is about 30.

My nephew was told that if he performs well on Navy pilots’ course, and still wants to fly jets, the RAAF will welcome him with open arms. The Navy and the RAAF do the same pilots’ course.

While the Marise Payne’s of this world can make these daft policy decisions, it’s the military that have to pick up the pieces. The RAAF fully expect an increase in pilots’ course scrub rates directly attributed to a recruiting culture where what’s between your legs (or isn’t) is of more importance than what’s between your ears. Problem is, they still have to crew aircraft. If they can poach them from the Navy, they will.

This type of blatant discrimination is not only legal, it’s encouraged in our PC world.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is where your tax dollars are going. Funding social engineering projects.
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Old 17th Apr 2018, 19:40
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Unfortunately this is not of Payne’s doing and will not disappear when she does. These types of practices started well before her time by ‘senior leaders’ who have become more political in their outlook than focusing on their core responsibilities. And they wonder why retention of certain skill-sets has become a problem.
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