Airbus eats Paperwork

[MarkerInbound]

Or a label on the inlet - No Storage Here.

[Traffic_Is_Er_Was]

They just need "Remove Before Flight" flags hung on them.

[ozziekiwi]

Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard

Excellent news. They can put stuff in the pack inlets instead.

If it’s the same mob we use in Auckland, then they come across as more of a mature-age work experience program.

Jetstar and Aerocare, which manages ground crews in New Zealand, released a notice saying engines must not be used for the placement of any foreign objects.
On Tuesday, a Jetstar spokesman said while the incident "didn't impact the safe operation of the aircraft, we take it very seriously".
"Since this occurred we have updated our procedures which includes a specific warning about not placing items in the engine cowling and improved detail around checks and responsibilities of the aircraft dispatch process."


https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...lipboard-scare

[belowMDA]

There is a lot about this incident that concerns me. However if we put aside the fact that it happened, why the hell did the Captain have to do all the leg work to find out the details from various sources. Surely Jetstar has an operations centre that should have bent over backwards to investigate and inform the crew what had happened. How does it make it better to impede the Captains ability to make a sound decision but not proactively giving him/her all the details up front?
I had heard Jetstar don't have ACARS, but surely they have a bloody sat-phone? Or is it just an old HF patch?

[HOOROO]

Jetstar definitely do have ACARS, Sat Phones only on the new A321’s and yes a very annoying HF patch.
Unfortunately it’s not uncommon to have issues trying to get through to Maintenance Watch which may have happened in this case

[Ollie Onion]

In his case they were having to converse with the Company on HF which is hard to do at the best of times. Also the real-time engine data isn’t controlled by Jetstar and has to be sourced from Qantas so takes forever.

[Ascend Charlie]

The pilot checklist will be amended to read:
Before Starting Engines:
*Ask ground crew to hold up their clipboards, and conduct a count of those who do not have a clipboard showing.
*If the count is Zero, proceed with engine start.

[havick]

Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard

Excellent news. They can put stuff in the pack inlets instead.

You win the internet this week.

[megan]

The engine damage was caused by silica gel dessicant bags which were accidentally left inside the air intakes for the port engines. When the take off run was initiated, the gel bags were unfortunately sucked through the engines and caused major internal compressor and combustion chamber damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzkQ7sSpATU

[michigan j]

Wouldn't it be easier to re-certify the engine to accept clipboard ingestion?

[Icarus2001]

No mention of the despatch/starter who probably called clear to start two?

[Sue Ridgepipe]

“While this incident didn’t impact the safe operation of the aircraft

Really?.....

[glad rag]

Originally Posted by Herod

Nice to see that the Captain "scrambled". I should think after landing, he probably boiled, and if he had found the culprit, that man would have been fried.

So dispatchers are trained to examine aircraft for serviceability now....

[Uplinker]

Everybody involved around an aircraft should keep aircraft servicability in mind, and if something odd is noticed, they should bring it to the crew’s or push chief's attention. Over the years, I have occasionally been called out by a loader to check a hold door, or an oil/hyd leak, and I never mind checking.

The incident in this thread reminds me of the BA double cowl unlocked incident.

What ever happened to:

“Ground from flight deck, can I have your checks please?”

“Yes flight deck; all equipment removed, all hatches and holds secure. All intakes clear, beacon rotating, tug connected, chocks removed, standing by”.

?

[framer]

So dispatchers are trained to examine aircraft for serviceability now....

Anyone who works on the ramp around operating airliners should be trained on the basics. This is the basics. When was the last time you saw anyone other than an Engineer or Pilot picking up FOD? It’s rare even with the trained folk now days. The ramp culture of times past has been diluted to the point that it’s rare to see it raise its head. Don’t worry though, you can fly to the Goldie for $98.

[Boe787]

This type of incident is the end result when you have Poorly paid/poorly trained Ground Staff!

[Bend alot]

Surprised passengers did not report confetti.


Surprised the pilots pressed on for a "considerable time" if they had concerns about the engine that was indicating and operating normally.


- Serious question, What is the procedure for keeping the paperwork dry for the ground crews when it is raining?

[GA Driver]

Serious question, What is the procedure for keeping the paperwork dry for the ground crews when it is raining?

There isn't one, its common through winter to be handed 3 or 4 sheets of dripping wet paper that by this stage often resembles toilet paper.

[framer]

Don’t get wound up, the safety of the flight was never effected.

[tdracer]

Originally Posted by Sue Ridgepipe

Really?.....

Sue, modern engines are certified to ingest much larger/harder items than a clipboard - bird ingestion tests are far more challenging.
Perhaps some small deformation of a few fan blades where they impacted the metal clip on the clipboard and some impact damage to the acoustic lining aft of the fan after the big bits got flung outward.
Now, if he'd left a large wrench in the inlet....