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Relaxing Cabotage

Old 25th Jan 2018, 06:51
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Relaxing Cabotage

There are rumblings that cabotage is being actively considered as a means of maintaining service levels, where domestic operators are unable to comply.

This is a real threat that political pressure may give cabotage a look in.

https://blueswandaily.com/australia-...-restrictions/

A few pilots on visas, is nothing in comparison to foreign operators operating domestic routes.

Without arguing about pay rate and race to the bottom, if Australian carriers cant crew their own flights now, how are you going to stand up to a foreign operator that would be happy to tag ons......

If you have the inclination make a submission, I will be.
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 07:12
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Unlike any country in the world Australia allows any airline to operate within Australia right now! 100% foreign owned airlines can set up and operate Domestically at anytime.They will need pilots of course. The US has a requirement of 75% local ownership. The Airservices Commission has a mantra of Cheap fares as their number one priority and a Sustainable Industry as their last priority! Give me an Australian Politician that looks after Australians please!
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Old 25th Jan 2018, 09:13
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Give me an Australian Politician that looks after Australians please!
That is a big ask.
As Yanis Varoufakis stated in a recent book, that (and I paraphrase)

to be on the inside necessitates leaving your coat and values at the door...

That excludes every single one of them in all houses of all countries, for if voting really changed anything other than the red team, blue team shuffle, voting would be illegal.

On another note, will be interesting to see how the airlines simultaneously deny a structural crew shortage, yet ask for 457 visa whilst also arguing against foreign airlines plying the skies using cabotage as the previously argued for crew shortage will be averted....with 457 visas..

Cognitive dissonance?
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 03:12
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If you want to peer into the future, cabotage is alive and growing in the Australian maritime industry for coastal transport of goods. This has arisen because of government policy and pressure of transport costs, and the aviation industry appears to be following.

With this change there is a reduced number of Australian mariners, and a reduced number of Aussie flagged ships they can crew. And with this there is increased pressure to employ foreign maritime crew on 457 visas ( or the new equivalent). Cadetships for ships officers and crew are now almost unheard of in Aus.

We don't need to worry about the illegal boats, it is the legal ones that are taking Aussie jobs.

In addition, all fuel which powers our civvy vehicles (AND all of our military assets) comes from overseas via foreign flagged tankers. We will have a major security problem and the ADF be unable to defend us if tanker deliveries are stopped or even slowed.

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Old 26th Jan 2018, 04:33
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The only foreign operator to setup here is a great example to others for a reason NOT to come here. Something to do with no money to be made and a small population apparently. They still have not made decent money since they started in 2007.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 04:49
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Originally Posted by busdriver007 View Post
Unlike any country in the world Australia allows any airline to operate within Australia right now! 100% foreign owned airlines can set up and operate Domestically at anytime..
you've heard of jetstar nz right?
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 06:35
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OK NZ is as stupid as the Aussies. NZ is a market of 4.0 million people. Jetstar NZ has not made money from day one. Loans given to keep it afloat and at the end of the year the money is written off. 2010 the profit was exactly the interest Jetstar NZ owed Jetconnect but didn't pay them. Hardly a successful story!
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 08:35
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Originally Posted by busdriver007 View Post
OK NZ is as stupid as the Aussies. NZ is a market of 4.0 million people. Jetstar NZ has not made money from day one. Loans given to keep it afloat and at the end of the year the money is written off. 2010 the profit was exactly the interest Jetstar NZ owed Jetconnect but didn't pay them. Hardly a successful story!
probably says more about the aussies involved than the locals.

if you're going to post emotive bollocks at least make it factual.
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 08:59
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Believe me I know this is a fact. These guys make Bernie Madoff look like an amateur! And yes it is the Australian Regulators that have allowed this to happen. I have all the documents! The truth will be known before too long!
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Old 26th Jan 2018, 21:03
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Another reason to steer my children well clear of this industry.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 07:22
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In view of the 'SAM' agreement between Australia and New Zealand I do not think Singapore Airlines should be able to commence a service between Melbourne - Wellington - Melbourne effective 3/5/18.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 09:37
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In view of the 'SAM' agreement between Australia and New Zealand I do not think Singapore Airlines should be able to commence a service between Melbourne - Wellington - Melbourne effective 3/5/18.
Admittedly i'm not familiar with the intricacies, but how is it any different to their current CBR/WLG service, or numerous other foreign carriers flying across the Tasman?
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 10:32
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I hear what you say and it is not any different to the numerous foreign carriers flying across the Tasman. My point is this. The SAM agreement makes the Trans Tasman virtually a domestic flight. In this case the only operators should be Aust and NZ carriers.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 11:11
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A simple question: how many countries in the world allow cabotage traffic? USA? Canada? UK? Germany? France? Any?

There's good reason for the negativity is for good reason. Will our simple minded politicians understand?
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 06:06
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All of the EU countries (to other EU airlines)
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 08:29
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Originally Posted by Freehills View Post
All of the EU countries (to other EU airlines)
That is not Cabotage by definition! EU are separate countries. The major cities have reached capacity with the only way new carriers can enter the market is through Secondary Airports. BA has 48.6% of slots into Heathrow, Air France has 52.3% into the two Paris Airports and KLM has 51.7% of slots into Schipol. Try getting slots into these major ports. Protection is a dirty word in Australia but most Countries do it other ways!
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