E rats banned from expansion into China for 6 months !!!

[BNEA320]

& fined by China for air safety violations & Joyce got into bed with them


Emirates fined by China for air safety violations

[compressor stall]

I think the newsworthy part of that article - if true - is that China fine ~$4000 for an (alleged) altitude bust and for some radio trouble.

If you think that those two issues alone have caused China to stop Emirates from expanding into China, then you are more naiive than the few posts of yours I bother to pay attention to would lead me to believe.

To me, that article says more about China's attitude to air safety than Emirates' attitude to same, and furthermore trying to link to to Joyce says more about you than anything.

[Sunfish]

Compressor stall, if you knew anything about China, you would understand that Emirates is getting the same medicine that is always handed out to foreign institutions that are sucked into doing business with China, and Yes, that includes Qantas/jetstar and Alan Joyce.

I have written extensively elsewhere on the problem of China - specifically, that no foreigner is allowed to profit from China, and even if they do make a profit, it proves impossible to get that profit out of China.

The latest victim is obviously Emirates, but there are plenty of others, the latest being Crown Casinos and Mr. Packer. They have quietly sold their Macau and mainland casinos to their "joint venture partner," Mr. Ho and fourteen of their China staff have been arrested and charged with "promoting gambling". One distant acquaintance of ours just missed out, he was in Australia when the arrests were made and he will now never go back to China or transit through Hong Kong.

Jetstar Asia will get the same treatment in due course if it succeeds in taking market share from the locals. It will survive only as long as Qantas keeps throwing money at it.

[compressor stall]

Reread what I wrote Sunfish. The second paragraph.

[BNEA320]

Originally Posted by compressor stall

Reread what I wrote Sunfish. The second paragraph.

think M rats with their bottomless pit of money, maybe having an end to their good run. Profit down 82%, getting grief from China, QF overflying them, Americans won't fly them, unless cheap. The list goes on.

[Another Number]

Obvious case of standard Chinese behaviour - this is in response to the recent "One China Policy" 'faux pas' regarding flags on EK staff.
Just another little "we set the rules" lesson from the Chinese machine.

[AerialPerspective]

Originally Posted by BNEA320

& fined by China for air safety violations & Joyce got into bed with them


Emirates fined by China for air safety violations

Really. This from the same country who's national airline we used see the holds open on and bags fall out, having been jammed in between the LD3s and the compartment wall, the LD3s by the way, not locked in by the restraint system. On one occasion a pallet was sailing up and down the forward hold all the way from Beijing to Sydney and other countless unbelievable occurrences (not knowing way from Sydney to Melbourne so just following the coast).

Yeh, I think there's something more political to this. This would be like Indonesia a few years ago banning someone for safety violations.

[KABOY]

Compressor stall, if you knew anything about China, you would understand that Emirates is getting the same medicine that is always handed out to foreign institutions that are sucked into doing business with China, and Yes, that includes Qantas/jetstar and Alan Joyce.

Sunfish, China introduced a punitive demerit system a while ago. Qatar, Ethihad and the all the American carriers have continued with an aggressive expansion strategy into China now. They haven't seen the punishment dealt to Emirates. Additionally, there have been cases of smaller Asian carriers given a similar punishment for similar occurrences.

Cathay have continued to benefit out of China, where is their punitive actions?

I think you are drawing a long bow....Packer even had a local involved!

If Australia and DXB adapted a similar policy, I think the MEL and DXB accidents would have delivered a similar result....

[Captain Dart]

A CX manager, last year I think, was required travel to China and be castigated like a naughty schoolboy by an official because a couple of crews had missed ATC calls amid all the 'yowda yowda' of Mandarin on their frequencies. I believe 'points' were lost. After that, Boeing crews, due to their noisy cockpits, had to wear headsets at all times while in Chinese airspace (i.e. 'Bizarro World').