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Old 11th Jun 2017, 16:54
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China Eastern Airlines YSSY "Engine Fooked"

Facebook reporting an Engine problem tonight on departure. Pilot, (I guess the fo) called ATC and said "engine fooked'....no kidding. Channel 7 has audio of the initial "pan" call.

http://www.airlive.net/breaking-chin...f-from-sydney/

https://mobile.twitter.com/S118869/s...720449/video/1

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Audo is here: http://archive-server.liveatc.net/ys...2017-1030Z.mp3

Pan pan around the 15:40 mark. Didn't hear the word 'fooked' though

Edit: the "fooked" moment is in in the Twitter Ozgrade3 linked

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Old 11th Jun 2017, 20:24
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Engine number 1 FOD?
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ICAO Level 6 English proficiency right there...
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SMH write up

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/midair-emergency-forces-china-eastern-flight-to-return-to-sydney-20170611-gwp359.html
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I hear "fault".

I think they only have level 4 English. Not the greatest look but can judge as I haven't had to make a pan call with a hole in my engine and the associated vibrations shaking the entire aircraft.

Having now listened to the entirety of the exchange from live ATC... they definitely were having issues answering basic questions such as desired altitude for holding after the adrenalin had worn off...

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Old 11th Jun 2017, 23:31
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Nope. I heard "fooked". Twice.

There may be an amusing and logical explanation - Expat Captain. Possibly an Aussie. It sounds like the F.O. was passing on what he heard. Especially the second time. Given the speakers 'mastery' of Engrish. It's possible.

Expat CA - "tell em the number one engine is ******" (not expecting a literal interpretation)

F.O. - "Engine number one is fooked".
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Media report that cabin announcements regarding the emergency were not made in English.

What are the regulations regarding cabin announcement language in general and in a emergency. (Not saying this was an emergency, but had a slide evacuation been preplanned, must such forwarning be made in more than one language?

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Old 12th Jun 2017, 00:57
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Sounds like "engine fault" to me
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From video on line it seems the inner side cowl of #1let go in front of the blades, but the blades themselves appear to all be there.
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FOD/Drone

Looks like something has hit the fan and been projected through the cowl as the inner acoustic lining is missing as well. Could it have been FOD after TO, like a drone?
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I expected that recording to be much worse. Would have been a reasonably busy failure to deal with, with accompanying vibs, strange noises, burning smells etc. They planned to hold, but switched immediately to overweight landing strategy after learning of the nature of the structural damage.

I only listened to the recording once. Didn't hear "fooked".

His English proficiency is actually relatively good IMO.
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I expected that recording to be much worse. Would have been a reasonably busy failure to deal with, with accompanying vibs, strange noises, burning smells etc. They planned to hold, but switched immediately to overweight landing strategy after learning of the nature of the structural damage.

I only listened to the recording once. Didn't hear "fooked".

His English proficiency is actually relatively good IMO.
Agree, I thought his English was good given the circumstances. I've played it back a few times and it sounds like he is saying fault.
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The media loves to have a field day with non-English speakers. I heard "fault". Surely, you don't expect them to say "SYD TWR, engine number one, done and dusted for".

I expect our resident "aviation expert", GT to chime in during today's news.
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Bit of a stretch to say it sounds like "Fooked". It sure sounds like "fault".
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I hadn't listened to the twitter link, which appears to be Tower. Skydler's link seems to be Departures. I can see how people think the Tower recording is "fooked", however, I work with a lot of Chinese pilots. It's definitely "fault".
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Having listened to the entirety of the ATC tape, I see no problem whatsoever with their English. Two voices on the radio, probably the Captain at first and then the FO. The FO English was slightly better; but both were very good (definitely better than ICAO 4 - I have heard ICAO 4 speakers). Their English is better than, for example, the rapid-fire accented "English" that you can hear at US airports - I have great difficulty sometimes understanding US ATC. I suspect the main difficulty for the crew in this case was in handling a difficult emergency.

The Aussie ATC was good, she spoke slightly slower and enunciated clearly.

FYI, all Chinese learn English at school and have done so for 20? or 30? odd years. The Captain on this flight was very experienced and senior, I think in charge of the flight simulators. There was no expat Captain on board.

Listening to the progress of the emergency, firstly engine at idle, then consideration of burning off fuel, then visual inspection, then decision to return overweight rather than wait - it all seems logical and measured. A good job, I think. I'd rather think better of a fellow professional than go off on imaginary tangents speculating on things that we don't know.

Oh, and it's "fault". I think many Asian speakers have difficulty with the English "L" sound, making it closer to an "R" sound. Funny responses on this thread, though.
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Nope. I heard "fooked". Twice.

There may be an amusing and logical explanation - Expat Captain. Possibly an Aussie. It sounds like the F.O. was passing on what he heard. Especially the second time. Given the speakers 'mastery' of Engrish. It's possible.

Expat CA - "tell em the number one engine is ******" (not expecting a literal interpretation)

F.O. - "Engine number one is fooked".

Your possible explanation is not correct. No expat pilot onboard. Also concensus suggests you need to get your hearing checked.
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I have listened many times and concur the word was likely "fault".
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Your possible explanation is not correct. No expat pilot onboard. Also concensus suggests you need to get your hearing checked.
The only person who can provide an error-free account of the incident and the cause of it is the great aviation expert, Geoffrey Thomas
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