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Old 12th Apr 2017, 23:34
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Originally Posted by DutyofCare View Post
Hey AerialPerspective Guru / in the know & No Crap Master

Who is running under the Callsign TEGOS pls

Is it of any fact, AQZ are running TT flts ex MML
Sorry DoC, I'm not aware but assume it would be Alliance.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 00:25
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TiggOz is Tigerair's new call sign since October last year. It has replaced GoCat.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 04:52
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TiggOz is Tigerair's new call sign since October last year. It has replaced GoCat.
Who cares about callsigns in that organisation anyway... VA's ICAO callsign is 'Velocity' which the aircraft use, yet the ground use 'Virgin' which is actually the Virgin Atlantic ICAO callsign yet they get away with it... even when VS was operating into Sydney. I just wonder why they don't get pulled up about it and forced to use Velocity for ground as well... what's the point of a callsign being registered if that's the case???
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Are you talking about Ground SMC or the Ground Handler?
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Are you talking about Ground SMC or the Ground Handler?
Airline operated equivalent in VA of QF Movement Control, whatever VA call it.
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Aerial perspective, the "virgin" callsign you refer to is a radio telephony callsign applicable to ATC comms.

The use of "Virgin" by Virgin AMCO on company frequency is not governed by the icao doc and they could call themselves "purple underpants with pink dots" if they wanted to.

Virgin Blue used "Virgin" as a radio telephony callsign for years - 2000 until about 2011 if I remember correctly under an agreement with Airservices. Even with Atlantic operating into Australia - the Atlantic Australian flight numbers were quarantined so there weren't any duplications.

It was only the push to get a common callsign across PB, the 777 operation and the Australian domestic operation that they switched to velocity
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Originally Posted by Snakecharma View Post
Aerial perspective, the "virgin" callsign you refer to is a radio telephony callsign applicable to ATC comms.

The use of "Virgin" by Virgin AMCO on company frequency is not governed by the icao doc and they could call themselves "purple underpants with pink dots" if they wanted to.

Virgin Blue used "Virgin" as a radio telephony callsign for years - 2000 until about 2011 if I remember correctly under an agreement with Airservices. Even with Atlantic operating into Australia - the Atlantic Australian flight numbers were quarantined so there weren't any duplications.

It was only the push to get a common callsign across PB, the 777 operation and the Australian domestic operation that they switched to velocity
Fair enough... be interesting to see if Part 64 mentions anything about it, I doubt it since it's a licensing reg basically. I just thought it was strange when I heard it... Qantas call themselves 'Qantas Melbourne', 'Qantas Sydney', 'Qantas Auckland', etc. they don't call themselves by any other call sign, same with BA, ground and air call themselves 'Speedbird'. Virgin has to be different. I just don't see what the big deal would be if they called themselves 'Velocity Sydney' for example.
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Have you considered that the ground station is identifying themselves?

They are Virgin Sydney not Velocity Sydney. Similarly contracted airlines call Qantas Sydney if they use Qantas for ground handling. If you are talking licensing regs I assume you mean Part 61?

As far as licensing is concerned I don't know if ground people require a flight radiotelephony licence - they used to if I remember correctly but not sure these days - but they could call themselves "Big Sky base" if they wanted
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Have you considered that the ground station is identifying themselves?
That's how I read it. Back in the day, AN DOM & AN INTL ops both used Ansett Melbourne on different frequencies. (AN INTL was the GHA branch of AN)
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These are the issues currently in Australia, what a ground handler is called on the company frequency 😐

Seriously, who cares.
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and they could call themselves "purple underpants with pink dots" if they wanted to.
Really? On a designated and licenced company aviation band frequency. That is a bold statement.
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What an amazing thread this is
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These are the issues currently in Australia, what a ground handler is called on the company frequency 😐

Seriously, who cares.
Wow. Just wow.
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Originally Posted by Snakecharma View Post
Have you considered that the ground station is identifying themselves?

They are Virgin Sydney not Velocity Sydney. Similarly contracted airlines call Qantas Sydney if they use Qantas for ground handling. If you are talking licensing regs I assume you mean Part 61?

As far as licensing is concerned I don't know if ground people require a flight radiotelephony licence - they used to if I remember correctly but not sure these days - but they could call themselves "Big Sky base" if they wanted
Yes... Qantas say "QANTAS TWO-NINER this is QANTAS SYDNEY". They do that because Qantas' ICAO callsign is Qantas. British Airways' is Speedbird and they don't say in London "BA London this is Speedbird Eleven" they say "Speedbird London". Carriers who are handled by Qantas call Qantas Sydney because that's what their route manual tells them to do because the handling is by Qantas and no one is going to answer if they use their own company callsign because there's no one there to answer. Every airline I'm aware of that calls it's own company groundstations uses it's ICAO call sign except VA. If there's a process to obtain callsigns and VS has "Virgin" but VA is allowed to use it, what is the point of getting callsigns and registering them in the first place, why not just use whatever they want???
And no, Part 64 CASR covers licensing for Radio Operators but I don't think it covers callsigns.

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Originally Posted by morno View Post
These are the issues currently in Australia, what a ground handler is called on the company frequency 😐

Seriously, who cares.
No, no one is saying it's an issue, just a comment that's all. It's supposed to be a discussion forum. No need to make a sarcastic comment just because you disagree. There is plenty of absolute CRAP on PPRuNe such as 57 pages on a coloured logo on an aicraft which has nothing to do with day to day airline ops.
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
Yes... Qantas say "QANTAS TWO-NINER this is QANTAS SYDNEY". They do that because Qantas' ICAO callsign is Qantas. British Airways' is Speedbird and they don't say in London "BA London this is Speedbird Eleven" they say "Speedbird London". Carriers who are handled by Qantas call Qantas Sydney because that's what their route manual tells them to do because the handling is by Qantas and no one is going to answer if they use their own company callsign because there's no one there to answer. Every airline I'm aware of that calls it's own company groundstations uses it's ICAO call sign except VA. If there's a process to obtain callsigns and VS has "Virgin" but VA is allowed to use it, what is the point of getting callsigns and registering them in the first place, why not just use whatever they want???
And no, Part 64 CASR covers licensing for Radio Operators but I don't think it covers callsigns.
You need to go to the USA, as the majority of the operators have there have call signs that have nothing to do with the name of the Airline. You will hear call signs such as Redwood, cedarwood etc. Even Virgin America doesn't use Virgin as their call sign, yet when they call their company they address them by company name.

The issue with VA started when they expanded into international ops. If they stayed a domestic carry then the use of Virgin wold not have been a problem.
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FFS is this really what people have time to spend on.
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Some TT passengers might get a nice ride soon.... Alliance just bought another F70 from the Dutch royal family.....


Dutch government plane sold to Australian airline for ?3,7 million | NL Times
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'China Southern 343 Hold short of alpha and Give way to the Velocity 737'

'Where is the Velocity, I see no Velocity'

'Give way to the 737 on your right'

'Ahh yes I see 737 give way, and where is the velocity coming'

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FFS is this really what people have time to spend on.
I'm sorry I made the original (partly tongue in cheek) comment. Unfortunately PPRuNe is getting like this, an innocent comment sometimes elicits pages and pages of argumentative back and forth. I'm done, I DO have better things to do than carry this on any further. This is almost as bad as the Gay Colors thread that went on for 57 pages and had ZERO do to with aviation... actually, no, it's not as bad as that.
I already acknowledged about 5 posts back other's viewpoints by saying "Fair enough..." FFS.

And someone mentioned above that I should go to the United States... no, I shouldn't and I hope we never base our standards in this country on that environment.

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