Gay colors?

[ChickenHouse]

Can somebody explain to me where this rainbow = gay comes from? Seriously, I don't understand that, because I only know rainbow colors as flag for diversity and "gay" just being one of the more challenging things in certain parts of the world.

[Fonz121]

Qantas group pilot I should say. But yeah, that happened. I admire their dedication to their principles. But that's about it.

[donpizmeov]

Fonz121 there are many gay crew at EK. Perhaps you are showing some other type of intolerance. But I guess that's ok.

[das Uber Soldat]

So all those people you know who "don't like" gay people, well they are homophobic.

Please explain to me how 'I don't like flying with gay people' fits with the definition of an 'extreme aversion'? Or is your contention that now phobia and aversion are interchangeable synonyms?

I don't like kebabs, am I now a kebabaphobic?!

[Derfred]

I prefer not to fly around in a Mardi Gras float, and I'm disappointed in my company that they are forcing me to do so. If you want to go join the parade, go for it. Just don't force me to be a part of what I find to be disgusting.

Fine, refuse the duty. Call the Murdoch press beforehand; it would be a shame to go without a bang. But get your logbook in order, Emirates might need to see it. Have fun. The 99% of us who don't share your abhorence won't miss you.

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

I don't share his abhorrence either, FWIW. Just curious though: There are plenty of people (including some in QF) who have sincere and deeply-held religious beliefs that are incompatible with this sort of promotion. Where do they stand with all this, I wonder? Some of those religious beliefs are part of the rich diversity which everyone must now celebrate, just as the whole LGBTQI thing is. It gets a bit awkward when aspects of our wonderful diversity turn out to be incompatible, don't you think?

[Derfred]

No, I don't think it is at all. I'm sure Keg has an opinion on this (if that's what you're referring to), and he stated his opinion on page 1 of this thread (something like unwarranted political expression or something). Apart from that he has stayed away from the thread. Probably due to, how do I spell it again? "Tolerance"?

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

I'm sure Keg has an opinion on this (if that's what you're referring to)

No, I wasn't.

[Turnleft080]

That's not a flying colour Equatoriana is a flying colour.

[Derfred]

No, I wasn't.

No worries, the rest of my post stands.

But you have implied something with your post, what are you saying?

Certain religious beliefs deny the tolerance of such a livery? Please progress your argument.

Cheers, my friend.

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

Yes, certain religious beliefs hold that homosexuality is deeply wrong, and holders of those beliefs may well have a problem if they feel that they're being used to promote a homosexual agenda. I'm just wondering if we're about to see a bit of a collision between religious freedom and the sort of tolerance that society is otherwise embracing. We have a few fairly fundamentalist pilots out there, after all.

Personally I'm not bothered.

[IsDon]

Originally Posted by PDR1

Well in the UK such a position would be illegal in an employment context, and would force your employer to bring a disciplinary action which (if the position didn't change) would lead to dismissal. Any supervisor/manager who was aware of that position in one of his/her subordinates (or indeed in any employee) and failed to address it would also face disciplinary action (and probable dismissal), as well as layingthe company open to some quite large fines and compensation.

Legally and socially homophobia is SO last-century, you know.

PDR

I find that very difficult to believe.

Are you seriously suggesting that it is illegal to have an opinion that is not PC.

What Orwellian nonsense.

[PDR1]

Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard

Yes, certain religious beliefs hold that homosexuality is deeply wrong, and holders of those beliefs may well have a problem if they feel that they're being used to promote a homosexual agenda. I'm just wondering if we're about to see a bit of a collision between religious freedom and the sort of tolerance that society is otherwise embracing. We have a few fairly fundamentalist pilots out there, after all.

Personally I'm not bothered.

There are many such conflicts. Two I can think of in the UK are the B&B owners who refused to allow a gay couple to have a room with a single bed and the bakery which refused to make a wedding cake for a gay marriage, both on religious grounds. IIRC in both cases the courts ruled that illegal discrimination had occurred.

PDR

[Freewheel]

I think the flag makes the tail look a bit too "busy" and the colours make the titling look a little indistinct.

Not an outstanding effort, but it's hardly the worst special livery applied to an airliner.

I'd rather the rat got it's forelegs back.

[PDR1]

Originally Posted by IsDon

I find that very difficult to believe.

Are you seriously suggesting that it is illegal to have an opinion that is not PC.

What Orwellian nonsense.

Calling it "PC" is just lazy thinking.

In the UK holding such views isn't illegal. But expressing such views in the workplace is either harassment or bullying because it will make gay people feel uncomfortable, and that is illegal. There is plenty of case law on this.

Allowing such views to materially affect the workplace (eg work assignments, teamings etc) is illegal discrimination. So is someone says "I won't share a cockpit with a gay man" and the company obliges by adjusting rosters to ensure he doesn't then the law would have been broken and both he and the employer would face charges.

PDR

[Keg]

Originally Posted by PDR1

.....expressing such views in the workplace is either harassment or bullying because it will make gay people feel uncomfortable, and that is illegal.

I'm just going to leave this here. It sums it up nicely. It's not OK to make gay people feel uncomfortable. That is UK case law. Apparently there is no law against religious people and non religious people alike feel uncomfortable.

I have some further thoughts on the issue but lack time to respond at the moment. Perhaps later today.

[maggot]

One is a choice and the other is not?

[Lookleft]

Here is an example of your Orwellian nonsense IsDon:

British Airways Christian employee Nadia Eweida wins case - BBC News

[Jeps]

Or we could just be civil to one another because we are adults and its the 21st century.

[Willie Nelson]

I do look forward to the day when there is no enormous PR campaigns by companies like QF in support of gay rights or any other form of civil rights because they are long established and accepted but as this thread clearly demonstrates that day is some time off.

In the mean time the only right we can celebrate with certainty is the right to be a bigot. Yay!

On a side note, even people like IsDon must acknowledge that this is an effective way to raise QF profile.