Pilot shortage
regarding respect for your experience: sorry. If it wasn’t gained with us then its suspect and perhaps why we'll have to keep a close eye on you for any bad habits you collected out there in the world. We will do everything possible to extend respect for your choice of gender, your sexual proclivities, your accent, foibles, race, colour and creed. But not for your experience. Beats me why that is.
Even if that's not your own opinion, it just goes to show the rest of the Qantas mentality that they're apparently the best pilots in the world
Yes, it was sarcasm. And its not about skygod syndrome either, but about a common institutional/tribal impulse.
Personally I learn a lot from pilots from different backgrounds. Sometimes you encounter people who constantly find fault with procedure, comparing ours unfavourably with some past practices. That gets tiresome, but its easily fixed with a bit of gentle re-education. I think we have a camp for that.
Personally I learn a lot from pilots from different backgrounds. Sometimes you encounter people who constantly find fault with procedure, comparing ours unfavourably with some past practices. That gets tiresome, but its easily fixed with a bit of gentle re-education. I think we have a camp for that.
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Geez, if you couldn’t read the sarcasm/ irony in Australopithicus’ post then maybe comprehension isn’t your thing. Certainly gave me a giggle. 
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I was recently told of a QF aircraft going into Heathrow, with the FO being a recent return from LWOP at another airline whereby he had been a Captain and operated into Heathrow quite a bit.
The SO being unfamiliar with the place asked a question, to which the FO answered it. The Captain then piped up and said “as you haven’t operated a Qantas aircraft into there you really shouldn’t be giving any answers”
Now does that make the above post seem all that implausible?
The SO being unfamiliar with the place asked a question, to which the FO answered it. The Captain then piped up and said “as you haven’t operated a Qantas aircraft into there you really shouldn’t be giving any answers”
Now does that make the above post seem all that implausible?
I was recently told of a QF aircraft going into Heathrow, with the FO being a recent return from LWOP at another airline whereby he had been a Captain and operated into Heathrow quite a bit.
The SO being unfamiliar with the place asked a question, to which the FO answered it. The Captain then piped up and said “as you haven’t operated a Qantas aircraft into there you really shouldn’t be giving any answers”
Now does that make the above post seem all that implausible?
The SO being unfamiliar with the place asked a question, to which the FO answered it. The Captain then piped up and said “as you haven’t operated a Qantas aircraft into there you really shouldn’t be giving any answers”
Now does that make the above post seem all that implausible?
99.9% of the guys and gals I fly with in any seat are great.
Unfortunately there’s always someone who doesn’t get the sense of humour / sarcasm and takes it the wrong way and over reacts.
I was recently told of a QF aircraft going into Heathrow, with the FO being a recent return from LWOP at another airline whereby he had been a Captain and operated into Heathrow quite a bit.
The SO being unfamiliar with the place asked a question, to which the FO answered it. The Captain then piped up and said “as you haven’t operated a Qantas aircraft into there you really shouldn’t be giving any answers”
Now does that make the above post seem all that implausible?
The SO being unfamiliar with the place asked a question, to which the FO answered it. The Captain then piped up and said “as you haven’t operated a Qantas aircraft into there you really shouldn’t be giving any answers”
Now does that make the above post seem all that implausible?
Thanks Morno
As for the earlier sarcasm, a blind person could have seen that coming. These people can’t even identify a simple bit of fishing, and they wonder why they can’t prgress through the QF recruitment system.
As for those Aussies wanting to come back into QF direct entry from O/S - never heard anything more laughable in my life. Reap/sow.
Boys and girls, you must be able to take a joke in this business. Yes, we have the standard 3% dick ratio, and yes, they can be insufferable. But suffer them you must. I joined QF after logging an extensive CV elsewhere so I understand and have lived the problem. But as a practical matter, QF, and all airlines really, only care how you fly today.
As far as old mate approaching the hold at Lambourne goes: You get that “not-invented-here” problem everywhere. People who subscribe to that nonsense are phillistines, and to be ignored when safe to do so.
As far as old mate approaching the hold at Lambourne goes: You get that “not-invented-here” problem everywhere. People who subscribe to that nonsense are phillistines, and to be ignored when safe to do so.
To come back as a direct entry Captain you need to look at a new start up, such as Virgin Blue in the year 2000 or operators such as Alliance who need experienced crew to replace those moving onto major airlines.
Many pilots had to go overseas to get an airline job as these were thin on the ground at home between the time Virgin Blue had finished ramping up to replace Ansett, and the current shortage. Jetstar and Tiger Airways could only a small number of those applying. Many in CX/EK would love to come back as these jobs are a fraction of what they were 15 years ago, but the handcuffs are on as going from a wide body Captain expat package, to a narrow body F/O package with none of the perks such as housing and education is too great a financial penalty. Back in the right seat at 40, followed by 15 years to upgrade to a domestic narrow body command and not having the seniority to get into a wide body LHS again before retirement puts many off.
Once an expat, always an expat. Either come home and join the seniority list before you're 30, or come back when you're over 50 cashed up, and can afford to take a retirement job.
Many pilots had to go overseas to get an airline job as these were thin on the ground at home between the time Virgin Blue had finished ramping up to replace Ansett, and the current shortage. Jetstar and Tiger Airways could only a small number of those applying. Many in CX/EK would love to come back as these jobs are a fraction of what they were 15 years ago, but the handcuffs are on as going from a wide body Captain expat package, to a narrow body F/O package with none of the perks such as housing and education is too great a financial penalty. Back in the right seat at 40, followed by 15 years to upgrade to a domestic narrow body command and not having the seniority to get into a wide body LHS again before retirement puts many off.
Once an expat, always an expat. Either come home and join the seniority list before you're 30, or come back when you're over 50 cashed up, and can afford to take a retirement job.
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This is the reason that seniority is so strongly defended against DE. They signed up for a system, knowing it's pluses and minuses, for better or worse. Others may have chosen to take a career rocket by going to less desirable locale, some had no choice, but had the good fortune to end up strapped to it anyway. They pay a different price for being on that rocket, but to be clear, there is a price to pay in either iteration of the system.
No system is perfect, no career path is without pain and disappointment, either with promotional prospects or the place of abode. There are very few shortcuts available that enable you to have the best of both worlds. There are some who were in the right place at the right time, but they are relatively rare in the industry now.
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I was recently told of a QF aircraft going into Heathrow, with the FO being a recent return from LWOP at another airline whereby he had been a Captain and operated into Heathrow quite a bit.
The SO being unfamiliar with the place asked a question, to which the FO answered it. The Captain then piped up and said “as you haven’t operated a Qantas aircraft into there you really shouldn’t be giving any answers”
Now does that make the above post seem all that implausible?
The SO being unfamiliar with the place asked a question, to which the FO answered it. The Captain then piped up and said “as you haven’t operated a Qantas aircraft into there you really shouldn’t be giving any answers”
Now does that make the above post seem all that implausible?