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Old 6th Jun 2018, 14:14
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Hmmm, 30 million eh!

Should see some very shiny floats in the next Mardi .
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 17:50
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Originally Posted by Rabbitwear View Post
They need ready made Australian guys from EK CX and the Like to come home , but need to hold equivalent positions , then they will be swamped .
its sad you need to lose rank after a long flying career just to change Airlines !
The saying, Ďyou made your bed......í comes to mind.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 18:55
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They need ready made Australian guys from EK CX and the Like to come home , but need to hold equivalent positions , then they will be swamped .
its sad you need to lose rank after a long flying career just to change Airlines !
Kidding me right? Airlines need(ed) recognize that in order to keep pilots they need to make it a viable career not some beaten down worthless job. Import all the ex pats you want, itís still a sh!t way to earn a crust and there will always be a shortage as long as thatís the case.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 00:41
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And what about the F/O who's not quite upgradable yet and suddenly finds a load of pilots with 10-15 years flying left in them suddenly appearing in the captain's seat ?
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 01:13
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I too wish to have my cake and eat it also
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 02:18
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So F/o's who have been in QF mainline don't have enough experience (22 years to East Coast 737 Command, around 26 for widebody), so we should alllow DEC?'s Yeah, right. What BS.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 08:26
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I don't think QF mainline is the subject of this thread, nor can I ever imagine a DEC scenario in QF. Direct entry F/O* does happen and likely will from time to time in the future too.

*direct F/O trainee after a day as an S/O trainee.

I wonder though if DEC is on the cards at the regionals?
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 08:37
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post


*direct F/O trainee after a day as an S/O trainee.
Is that to get around some rule about hiring straight on to the B737?
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 09:41
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Iím happy to join as an F/O ,thatís some respect for my experience . But there is no separate application for this . Surely that is fair when competing with people with 500total hours !
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 09:15
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I’m happy to join as an F/O ,that’s some respect for my experience . But there is no separate application for this . Surely that is fair when competing with people with 500total hours !
Dude...we have S/Os with plenty of heavy jet time, some with lots of heavy command time. It’s the nature of the system:you join at the bottom and take your opportunities as they arise. F/O slots on the 737 are a regularly occurring thing. However, going straight to F/O means many many years of shorthaul flying before getting a chance of a widebody right seat. You have to ask yourself if you want the gig for an ego stroke or to maximise your earnings during your tenure. If its the latter perhaps an entry bid for the 737 isn’t the best strategy.

regarding respect for your experience: sorry. If it wasn’t gained with us then its suspect and perhaps why we'll have to keep a close eye on you for any bad habits you collected out there in the world. We will do everything possible to extend respect for your choice of gender, your sexual proclivities, your accent, foibles, race, colour and creed. But not for your experience. Beats me why that is.

Also....you’re not competing with 500 hr applicants.
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post


If it wasn’t gained with us then its suspect and perhaps why we'll have to keep a close eye on you for any bad habits you collected out there in the world.

Except of course those coming back from Emirates or any other LWOP opportunities.

Let alone those currently going straight to the RHS of the 737 after a token day or two as SO

Lay off the Kool Aid

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Old 8th Jun 2018, 09:35
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
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regarding respect for your experience: sorry. If it wasnít gained with us then its suspect and perhaps why we'll have to keep a close eye on you for any bad habits you collected out there in the world. .
Sweet jesus..

#skyGods
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 10:15
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OMG canít believe thatís not a wind up
#skygods
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 10:32
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You need to read the whole quote from Australopithecus.
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 10:47
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There’s no time to read the whole quote! The #skygod hashtag must be deployed ASAP!
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 11:06
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Thereís no time to read the whole quote! The #skygod hashtag must be deployed ASAP!
A most excellent troll.
Topical, on target. Nice.
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 14:24
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus View Post
regarding respect for your experience: sorry. If it wasnít gained with us then its suspect and perhaps why we'll have to keep a close eye on you for any bad habits you collected out there in the world. We will do everything possible to extend respect for your choice of gender, your sexual proclivities, your accent, foibles, race, colour and creed. But not for your experience. Beats me why that is.
OMFG

Even if that's not your own opinion, it just goes to show the rest of the Qantas mentality that they're apparently the best pilots in the world
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 15:32
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Originally Posted by morno View Post
OMFG

Even if that's not your own opinion, it just goes to show the rest of the Qantas mentality that they're apparently the best pilots in the world
I think it was sarcasm/irony.
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Old 8th Jun 2018, 17:36
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Yes, it was sarcasm. And its not about skygod syndrome either, but about a common institutional/tribal impulse.

Personally I learn a lot from pilots from different backgrounds. Sometimes you encounter people who constantly find fault with procedure, comparing ours unfavourably with some past practices. That gets tiresome, but its easily fixed with a bit of gentle re-education. I think we have a camp for that.

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Old 8th Jun 2018, 19:48
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There are some REALLY SLOWWWW posters out there, A very tongue in cheek comment from Austral
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