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Old 27th Nov 2017, 20:36
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Originally Posted by nexttime View Post
When I was interviewed they mentioned slots for A330 Sydney and 787 Perth, maybe Brisbane later in 2018. Unsure how quickly things change though.
Rapidly!

Networks are looking at a whole bunch of options from the East coast and Perth.

AJ stated that weíre not ordering more 787s until the initial tranche prove themselves. (Purely for market consumption) Read into that that next orders will be announced early in the new year after a couple of months of MEL-LAX.

BNE/MEL/PER bases already announced. Hopefully SYD next.

Recruiting will continue into the foreseeable future.

Keep your chin up. Put it down to experience and practice for your next attempt. See you here soon.

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Old 27th Nov 2017, 22:47
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Originally Posted by nexttime View Post
I've been humming and harring about expressing my feelings with Qantas recruitment and thought I would share my experience to get it off my chest.

I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to progress to the 2nd stage - interview, 1 on 1, group activity ect but was unsuccessful in getting through to the sim.
Echoing the comments above, don't beat yourself up about it. It's hard getting through the entire process and unless you get the dreaded "Don't apply again" email, it doesn't mean they don't want you or that you aren't good enough, it just means at the moment, your application overall isn't as competitive as some others.

They are putting people through the defer (12 month) process just to give them time to gain more experience, improve their skills, polish up etc. before coming back. I know a lot of people who have been deferred for various reasons including, lack of recent flying, poor IFR knowledge, an average of median results across the assessment to that point i.e. Psych testing etc.

I also know that many of them have given up the chase and are looking elsewhere, with a sour taste in their mouth. The best piece of advice I ever got given was you have to be extraordinarily determined to make it in this industry. The speedbumps and challenges never stop coming and you will fail more than once (or 10 times). You have to want it more than anything.

Also, send them an email and ask for feedback. The QLink roadshow indicated that they are more than happy to provide feedback if requested and if it's appropriate to do so i.e. they don't think you're a closet psychopath. Definitely ask the question!!

EDIT: And stay positive! There are enough whingers and piss poor attitudes on here to stop a fleet of A380's getting off the ground (not everyone obviously) so don't let them get to you. Keep the chin up and keep swinging!
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 08:46
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I'll send an email and see what happens. I am not counting on a reply as the unsuccessful one stated they were unable to provide specific feedback on my performance.

Do they really give that don't apply again email ?
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 13:05
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nexttime - my personal opinion. I would not send an email asking for feedback when they clearly state in the correspondence that they cannot provide feedback. It shows a lack of willing to follow rules/instructions - usually considered a bad personality trait in the aviation industry!

The only people who have been given feedback to my knowledge are those internal applicants.

Again, just my opinion. I would hate to be ruled out for future consideration based off an email.
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 22:02
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Let’s be brutally honest here. The recruitment system is really not merit based. Everybody puts their best foot forward when they go through the process, but the people running around with their HR degrees select a number of pilot applicants based on a number of criteria. They select some GA, military, airline, internals and even some based on gender. That’s how it works. I know of internal check and trainers who “lacked merit” to become mainline SOs. Does that make sense? Of coarse not. It’s just a HR driven process. Just be persistent and keep applying. Your not a better or worse pilot than any others who get in, so don’t beat yourself up about it. And remember, there is life outside of Qantas.
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Old 30th Nov 2017, 07:36
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Originally Posted by normanton View Post
nexttime - my personal opinion. I would not send an email asking for feedback when they clearly state in the correspondence that they cannot provide feedback. It shows a lack of willing to follow rules/instructions - usually considered a bad personality trait in the aviation industry!
I had a think about it and I don't think it's a good idea to reply back. Recruitment are no doubt busy and the last thing they need is an email from an unsuccessful candidate asking for feedback when their email clearly stated it wasn't available. I think I know what to do and will work on some improvements and hopefully reapply in a year or two if recruitment is open.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 06:12
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Does anybody have any insight as to why the monthly intakes are becoming "smaller than planned?" Is there, for example, a bottleneck in the training department, or is there no need for a large volume of new SOs at the moment?
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 08:13
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I'm hearing an increase in hour requirements including multi crew. Pilots that attended the Qlink roadshow were asked why they weren't applying to Qlink and they answered because mainline was hiring.
It took them long enough to figure out that if you hire G.A guys and gals straight into mainline there will be no one to fill other positions like Qlink and other subsidiaries. 👏🏼

Anybody else heard of the increase in hour requirements?
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Fok View Post
I'm hearing an increase in hour requirements including multi crew. Pilots that attended the Qlink roadshow were asked why they weren't applying to Qlink and they answered because mainline was hiring.
It took them long enough to figure out that if you hire G.A guys and gals straight into mainline there will be no one to fill other positions like Qlink and other subsidiaries. 👏🏼

Anybody else heard of the increase in hour requirements?
Have heard similar rumours from qlink Pilots.

I assume their thinking is if they exclude ga pilots from mainline, they will want to work for qlink, which is not the case.
Qlink will become purely a stepping stone for people who never really wanted to be there in the first place, and will leave first chance they get.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 14:14
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Qlink will become purely a stepping stone for people who never really wanted to be there in the first place, and will leave first chance they get.
That's was Qlink has been for the last +10 years. They've always been well aware of it too.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 14:15
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Originally Posted by Flyboy1987 View Post
Have heard similar rumours from qlink Pilots.

I assume their thinking is if they exclude ga pilots from mainline, they will want to work for qlink, which is not the case.
Qlink will become purely a stepping stone for people who never really wanted to be there in the first place, and will leave first chance they get.
Flyboy you seem to be in the know.

What percentage of Australian regional pilots want to work for a larger carrier, and what percentage of GA pilots would choose to follow that path via the regionals? Where do GA pilots want to work?
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 14:22
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Originally Posted by *Lancer* View Post
Flyboy you seem to be in the know.

What percentage of Australian regional pilots want to work for a larger carrier, and what percentage of GA pilots would choose to follow that path via the regionals? Where do GA pilots want to work?
If they donít really have a choice then the question is moot.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 21:40
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Originally Posted by *Lancer* View Post
Flyboy you seem to be in the know.

What percentage of Australian regional pilots want to work for a larger carrier, and what percentage of GA pilots would choose to follow that path via the regionals? Where do GA pilots want to work?
In the past, the door to mainline for qlink Pilots has been shut, from my understanding. Itís currently open with qlink drivers getting start dates with mainline, sometimes with long waits as qlink is becoming understaffed.
Will this door stay open in the next 5-10 years?

Yes qlink are aware that theyíve been a stepping stone, but a stepping stone for other carriers which I donít think theyíve been too impressed with, but they canít blame pilots for leaving for cathay/Middle East.

As for where do ga pilots want to work? Mixed bag. But since VA has reduced minimums with hiring advertised for next year, iíve spoken to quite a few pilots who have switched their cover letters from qlink to virgin.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 21:41
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Btw, the minimum I heard was time on aircraft plus 13 tonne.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 01:21
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is there still a january course?

how about february?
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 14:02
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Originally Posted by bagchucka View Post
is there still a january course?

how about february?
From what I can gather there still is, but they are running smaller courses than originally planned.
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 20:58
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‘Smaller courses’ if/ when they occur are likely to be due more to training capacity than need.

Merry Christmas everyone. 2018 is likely to be another positive year for Qantas.
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Old 18th Jan 2018, 21:05
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Happy new year everyone.

It sounds like a positive kick-off to the new year with start dates awarded for Feb/Mar training courses on the 330 and Jumbo. Is anyone in the know on how many in a course/how often they'll run?

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Old 19th Jan 2018, 11:29
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Iíve heard 13 courses this year.... evenly spaced throughout the year
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 12:29
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Does anybody know how start dates are allocated (once on the hold file)?
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