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Old 30th Jan 2019, 06:49
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Agree with everything Twitcher said in his well thought out post.

I certainly wouldn't recommend putting your life on hold for the Qantas program. It will always be just one of several avenues into QF and given how recently it was announced, I wouldn't expect to see them taking students at Toowoomba any time soon.

Your uni preferences for 2019 are probably already set in stone, but at the moment the quickest way into the QF group for someone in your position is to study aviation at one of the approved universities in the Qantas Group Future Pilot Program. A significant number of graduates of these degrees are already working at QantasLink as FOs and will have a pathway into QF mainline available to them.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 07:05
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Not correct at all ,the quickest way into the Qantas group is to apply off the street for the Jetstar Cadetship

,doing that you could commence in July. Have you ever met anyone who did an aviation degree direct from High School
& on reflection thought it was a good idea.


By the time you finish a course at one of the "aligned" universities you could have graduated the JQ program , have 1000
hours on the Airbus , and completed selection for QF mainline . Jetstar cadetship running since 2010 , 200 grads have joined JQ
, two intakes per year around 14 /16
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 10:48
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Originally Posted by directimped View Post
What ever happened to packing a suitcase and heading into the bush? A lot of fun and teaches you valuable skills. If you are a sharp youngster, you will be picked up into a regional or better within a few years. I wouldn't give my GA time back for anything, some things you just can't learn in the right seat of a jet.

My 2c.
Normally I would agree with the above, however the industry (read legacy airline HR) is moving away from hiring GA pilots.

The quickest and what appears to be the most reliable route are these cadet style schemes on offer by the parent companies.

Not to thread drift, but if you look at the USA the same thing is happening to some degree. The legacy carriers are aligning themselves with flow through programs for there wholly owned regionals, or preferential interviews for contract carriers that fly their brand.

That being said I wouldn’t change my GA/helicopter experience before jumping into the airlines either for the life experiences it provided me. But these days I recommend new guys to jump on the train that’s going to get them a seniority number the quickest.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 23:19
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Thanks everyone for their valuable responses, I truly appreciate it.
To be completely honest, in regards to the path to becoming a pilot, I don't mind either undertaking a cadetship or doing it the "old fashioned way", (being that I get my CPL, then train or charter to get hours up before applying into the airlines.)

I'm essentially looking for the fastest way to do enter the "big leagues" as I want to enter my dream career quickly but also well prepared and well rounded, and to me the cadetship option seems as though it would be the quickest way to enter mainline. In regards to joining the universities and going through their programs, this just doesn't seem very viable to me as an option due to the 3 year course with no guaranteed job - I actually did work experience at CAE Oxford (I live about 10 minutes away from YMMB) but I figure that undertaking a commercial license at the local flight schools would be much quicker and cheaper.

Then again, I figure that if QF will be conducting their own training (and if they get up to 500 pilots per year as projected), why would they hire outsiders? The JQ and QF programs also look promising but what kinds of guarantees are in place for cadets as it seems quite fuzzy at the moment.

Keen to hear all of your thoughts on this - in regards to the medical, I'm booked in to be having it in the next 2 weeks or so - I've done a TIF and have a heap of sim time (I've got a system at home)
Thanks again for everyone's feedback
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 10:25
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I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in one basket if I were you.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 17:16
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Originally Posted by rep View Post
I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in one basket if I were you.
mmm my thoughts exactly.

i wouldn’t think many attending the qf school would end up in mainline, maybe the very minimal amount to keep applications flowing in.

The school to me looked more aimed at recruiting people to qlink, over seas airlines, as well as simply training people who would be offered nothing at the end.

its been very quiet since announcing the location.
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 19:25
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I tend to agree with flyboy. When you look at the marketing that’s been released, the school is offering graduates a chance to enter ‘the Group’. The accompanying picture is a big shiny a380 or Dreamliner, but I reckon most graduates would be destined for the Links, Jetconnict, Jetstar, network. As for the transition from these to mainline, that could take many, many years.

Personally, I’d ignore the glossy brochures and cinematic advertising for these flashy new cadetships in the same way people should have ignored the glossy brouchures for off the plan high rise apartments like Opal Tower Sydney.

GA to mainline is a heavily underrated path in this “I want it now” era. But, I reckon it’s actually the quickest route to mainline these days. Being able to avoid, and not get stuck in the vortex that is ‘the Group’ and aiming for mainline directly is definitely worth considering.


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Old 31st Jan 2019, 20:13
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When you look at the marketing that’s been released, the school is offering graduates a chance to enter ‘the Group’.
With a glossy cadetship setting one back $150,000 it may be wise to read the fine print.
It might be called bait and switch, but Qantas are 'fine upstanding corporate citizens'.

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Old 1st Feb 2019, 01:38
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Keep a reality check

Originally Posted by TangoYankee777 View Post
Thanks everyone for their valuable responses, I truly appreciate it.
To be completely honest, in regards to the path to becoming a pilot, I don't mind either undertaking a cadetship or doing it the "old fashioned way", (being that I get my CPL, then train or charter to get hours up before applying into the airlines.)

I'm essentially looking for the fastest way to do enter the "big leagues" as I want to enter my dream career quickly but also well prepared and well rounded, and to me the cadetship option seems as though it would be the quickest way to enter mainline. In regards to joining the universities and going through their programs, this just doesn't seem very viable to me as an option due to the 3 year course with no guaranteed job - I actually did work experience at CAE Oxford (I live about 10 minutes away from YMMB) but I figure that undertaking a commercial license at the local flight schools would be much quicker and cheaper.

Then again, I figure that if QF will be conducting their own training (and if they get up to 500 pilots per year as projected), why would they hire outsiders? The JQ and QF programs also look promising but what kinds of guarantees are in place for cadets as it seems quite fuzzy at the moment.

Keen to hear all of your thoughts on this - in regards to the medical, I'm booked in to be having it in the next 2 weeks or so - I've done a TIF and have a heap of sim time (I've got a system at home)
Thanks again for everyone's feedback
The greatest single piece of advice I can give you is by all means learn how to fly if that's your passion. Be careful of cadet schemes though they may not give you a job if you don't come up to standard and you will have spent considerably more than if you paid for it yourself, but, here's the main point of my post, by all means have an airline in mind that you eventually want to work for but be prepared for the possibility that it may never happen and the idea that you may never work in Australia.
My airline of choice was Ansett Australia. I was looking for work when it went bust. I wasn't eligible for QF at the time due to high school education and for probably political reasons I never would have gotten a job at Virgin. I'm now working overseas and don't see myself ever working in Australia.
Go forth and learn to fly but do it in the knowledge that you won't get what you truly desire. If you can get what you want, then you've done well for yourself.
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 20:36
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This was me about 10 years ago, right out of school I applied for all the major cadetships and silly 20 Y.O me thought surely i'd get into one of them, but of course I didn't - these things are very competitive. Being rejected hurt, I had planned to give up on aviation if I didn't get into one. Anyway to cut a long story short, I ended up going the traditional way, spend my savings and working to get my PPL, used Fee-Help to get my CPL and my instructor rating. I was one of the guys who only really got his instructor rating because it seemed like the 'easy way'. But guess what I actually really loved instructing, especially when I got to split my time between instructing and multi engine charter. I've just started at my first airline and to be honest while I enjoy it and its exciting and rewarding, part of me would love to go back to instructing and charter if only I was earning a salary which I felt was worth the investment and hardwork I had and was putting in.

If you have a passion for aviation you'll find that no matter what your doing, if you getting paid to fly, you'll love and enjoy it. TBH sometimes this is the problem with aviation, employees know how much we love to fly. If an airline or Qantas is your goal then great, as an instructor I always found students with a long term goal worker harder and were far more dedicated but don't be supplied if that goal changes. Good Luck.
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 21:48
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Originally Posted by 737pnf View Post
Tangoyankee777
Unless being a long haul pilot is what you truly want, as others have commented, don't get too focussed on glossy brochures featuring jets. Keep an open mind. My flying school never had models or posters of a Dash 8 for example but rather always of China Southern A330s, Emirates 777s and Qantas A380s. You can have a brilliant career in the other sectors too. Become an instructor in GA and work your way up to be your own boss as a testing officer, deciding the days you work and the days you have off and flying a broad fleet from the smallest piston twins to Conquests and King Airs, maybe even very light jets with synthetic vision in the future. Work for the flying doctors and be home most nights. Same same for regionals, in a close knit team of 3 or 4 (Captain, FO and Flight attendant/s), where you're hand flying the aircraft more, and manoeuvring around weather build ups, or outside controlled airspace where you're making your own decisions about aircraft safe tracking and efficiency, where you're farewelling and greeting passengers individually. Don't listen to people who say "props are for boats" or get sucked into "do you only fly domestic?" or "when are you going to fly the big ones?" as if you haven't made it until you do sit on your backside for 15hrs at a time, monitoring screen with minimal input and spending time away from friends and family. Do what's right for you. For your aviation aspirations, and more importantly, your lifestyle - what you want from life outside of work.
You can make a successful career for yourself as a pilot operating an aircraft that isn't propelled by fans...
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 05:56
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Have any external applicants who interviewed from mid last year heard anything about start dates for this year? Hearing of a lot of internal hold file applicants who are getting dates in May/June who interviewed last August.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 03:22
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Originally Posted by cqd View Post
Have any external applicants who interviewed from mid last year heard anything about start dates for this year? Hearing of a lot of internal hold file applicants who are getting dates in May/June who interviewed last August.
Fairly quiet at the moment for externals.
Info from a friend of a friend - "10 new applicants joined in Jan with a further 10 monthly up until May" - Qantas HR. These are mostly if not all Internal applicants

Ive heard of internals who have starts right up to December 19'

There will still be external starts but it seems highly weighted on internals for the time being
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 03:43
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Yeah, I got that email yesterday too. Was quoted 12-18 months initially on the hold file but was kind of hoping to hear of some externals with start dates in the last half of the year.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 04:15
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Just got off the phone to a friend who ended up resigning from the Qantas group with a start date for mainline in March this year but because they would not tell her a base or fleet until 4 weeks prior to starting they took another airline job with better service and job prospects. I was amazed but it made sense that they took a job that was certain and not unknown. They mentioned also the recruitment personal have been useless and extremely uninformative for the entire process. They are glad to have knocked them back. Ciao
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 04:19
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Why all the concern about "no guarantee of job" - that surely depends on the world economy

My understanding of the JQ cadetship is that at least 95% of those who got selected got checked to line

That is a pretty healthy number
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 04:22
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Originally Posted by Hold_Short View Post
Just got off the phone to a friend who ended up resigning from the Qantas group with a start date for mainline in March this year but because they would not tell her a base or fleet until 4 weeks prior to starting they took another airline job with better service and job prospects. I was amazed but it made sense that they took a job that was certain and not unknown. They mentioned also the recruitment personal have been useless and extremely uninformative for the entire process. They are glad to have knocked them back. Ciao
Sounds like she’s a bit of a PITA and the QF Group could do without her.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 04:36
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Originally Posted by cqd View Post
Yeah, I got that email yesterday too. Was quoted 12-18 months initially on the hold file but was kind of hoping to hear of some externals with start dates in the last half of the year.
Internals receive longer notice periods due to the coordination afforded subsidiaries.

Just because no external applicants may have a start date in July yet, won’t necessarily mean there aren’t any externals in July.
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Old 6th Feb 2019, 04:51
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If people are now getting start dates, as above, does this mean that all assessments for applicants who applied April last year are complete?

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Old 6th Feb 2019, 05:41
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Originally Posted by Hold_Short View Post
Just got off the phone to a friend who ended up resigning from the Qantas group with a start date for mainline in March this year but because they would not tell her a base or fleet until 4 weeks prior to starting they took another airline job with better service and job prospects.
If they are happy with their decision then congrats (genuine).

Perhaps they didn’t want to reside in Perth for 6 months waiting for a BNE transfer or 737 MEL slot. 6 months is a long time in aviation (🙄not genuine unless WW3 or GFC2 erupts) I suspect the real explanation is beyond what is written above.

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