Fake Log book Hours Blacklist

[Capt Fathom]

Unfortunately, most HR departments know nothing about the real world, and the qualifications required to go with it!
They live in a fantasy world! Their only focus... KPI's and Bonuses!

[tail wheel]

All kidding aside, are you guys making this stuff up or is that a real story?

Can people be that stupid?????

I also said he never got a flying job.

[Dougie Buckets]

@RomeoCharlie, I would love to have a chat with you if possible good sir. Not about log book faking hours but I'm more interested in your story of how you became a pilot and how you are now flying 767's. I'm very jealous, to say the least!
Dougie Buckets

[aussie027]

So basically this entire thread is saying -

"Many pilot's logbooks have a lot of Phantom hours but no one has ever seen a F-4 " !!

[Chocks Away]

Yes Aussie and the capital letter makes all the difference

Pakehaboy - As RomeoCharlie mentioned, there are legal implications and with the change of Forum owners here some time ago, who have no connection with the Airline Industry, there's zero protection.

Please read my post #21 again. I was able to effect change with the AvMed once The Australian newspaper picked it up and the AFAP got involved with great research. Public pressure and shaming has great effect. That is really the only "line and length" available to us at this moment but I do know it has already had an effect. Five shonks have been booted from the mob I currently fly for, after found with false quals (not from them reading this admitedly, but from me approaching TRI/TRE's). Still though, there are some more logging P1 time while sitting in the right seat - South American, Paki & Indian.

I don't know the real answer. That's why I put the feelers out on here.
It really is up to Airline HR's to pull their f#&gg*# heads out of the A$$es and concentrate on what Red Jet (http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...ml#post9433281) and you all mentioned because there is a growing list of Airlines myself and friends refuse to fly on, due to who's up the front! The (educated) public are slowly getting wind of this, though are still very price driven.

Happy Landings anyway

[Metro man]

Fake hours are quite common in India at flying schools where in order to avoid the expense of actually operating the aircraft, the school will give a discount on verifiable Parker pen time.

Earlier posts have shown how small and interconnected the aviation industry is. Common conversation on meeting a pilot for the first time involves background and previous experience, followed by "You must know so and so"

When I joined my present airline, one of my trainers knew a pilot from my second last employer as he was married to his cousin. He also knew someone I remembered from the early 1990s and had recently had lunch with him. Two other pilots worked for the same company as I did in the mid 1990s, another two had the same last employer as I did.

Many years ago someone was telling me about a pilot going for an interview who was asked about some military time he had logged. The interviewer had been the squadron commander at the time and couldn't remember him.

[parabellum]

Some here have said that it is difficult to verify hours flown with a previous employer, not always the case, a 'phone call to the company/companies asking A). Was this person employed by you? B). Did he/she fly the following types as Capt/FO? C). Total hours claimed whilst in your employ are: P1/P2, are theses totals realistic? or you could do it the SIA way, write to previous and/or present employer and ask them to verify as above, even before they have offered you a job! No kidding.

[mr did]

Having a capable HR department with some semblance of awareness and fact checking fixes most problems. A past effort by a major Hong Kong Airline to remove the Freighters from the PAX operation and recruit low cost pilots didn't go so well. One of the the DE captains they interviewed had logged 17,000 hours of which 10,000 were command on the 767. Perfect. Except he was 24. HR gave him a job and themselves a pat on the back. Didn't last long.

[IsDon]

Originally Posted by mr did

Having a capable HR department with some semblance of awareness and fact checking fixes most problems. A past effort by a major Hong Kong Airline to remove the Freighters from the PAX operation and recruit low cost pilots didn't go so well. One of the the DE captains they interviewed had logged 17,000 hours of which 10,000 were command on the 767. Perfect. Except he was 24. HR gave him a job and themselves a pat on the back. Didn't last long.

Ohhh I don't know. 8760 Hours in a year, 17,000 years is less than two years airborne. Assuming he never slept, and did mid air refuels for two years?????? He could have started at 22.

Even if he flew the maximum possible 1000/year it would take him 17 years. Maybe he started flying when he was 7??????

I'm just trying to think through the HR logic here that passed their scrutiny.

[Oakape]

Using HR & logic in the same sentence is not very wise.

[DeltaT]

Using HR & logic in the same sentence is not very wise.

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