Fake Log book Hours Blacklist
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Fake Log book Hours Blacklist
After watching various "training mechanisms" of a few airlines struggle, at the supply of apparently "qualified aircrew" ... to meet increasing fleet staffing requirements, I feel it's is long overdue to speak out.
There are too many pilots around trying to gain Commands or F/o slots on bogus types they know nothing about, with fake hours!
Fact!
Gone are the days of logbooks being retained by the prospective company for factual checks prior to interview. Logbooks are not even checked at interview by simply "turning a page over" and checking Google for Aircraft Registration!
(TAKE NOTE HR!)
I am sick and tired of unqualified amateurs claiming quals and types they have no idea about, only to clog up the training mechanisms in stupidity and wasted limited sim times over their prospective employees lies.
Its time to name and shame those that lie and/or fail, as the ounce reputable, honest and highly held profession of Airline Pilot has now sunk into the realms of what bit of paper with fake quals you can get out of India/Thailand, instead of honest logbook hours & Reference Checks.
Handing over...
There are too many pilots around trying to gain Commands or F/o slots on bogus types they know nothing about, with fake hours!
Fact!
Gone are the days of logbooks being retained by the prospective company for factual checks prior to interview. Logbooks are not even checked at interview by simply "turning a page over" and checking Google for Aircraft Registration!
(TAKE NOTE HR!)
I am sick and tired of unqualified amateurs claiming quals and types they have no idea about, only to clog up the training mechanisms in stupidity and wasted limited sim times over their prospective employees lies.
Its time to name and shame those that lie and/or fail, as the ounce reputable, honest and highly held profession of Airline Pilot has now sunk into the realms of what bit of paper with fake quals you can get out of India/Thailand, instead of honest logbook hours & Reference Checks.
Handing over...
And without defaming someone, I'm curious to know how you could prove such fake hours....
The individual you speak of didn't happen to claim to have flown a large chinese turboprop over in asia? Aussie bloke who used to be an instructor and used to look at teeth for a living prior to that?
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I think many Chief Pilots would agree (to some degree) that hours don't always correspond to quality. Fake or real, theres plenty of pilots with 'thousands' of hours out there that really shouldn't be flying aeroplanes.
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I recall a BA pilot telling me of one of his mates who applied for BA who was offered a job but later given the boot. He claimed to have logged over 1000 hours in rego G-BBDB, in circa 2000-2001. When queried as to how he managed to get his hands at the controls of a concorde...he couldn't think on his feet fast enough :-)
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The individual you speak of didn't happen to claim to have flown a large chinese turboprop over in asia? Aussie bloke who used to be an instructor and used to look at teeth for a living prior to that?
Oddly enough, another employer hired this dude to fly another turboprop type.
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Lol some days ago, I heard an instructor where I did my CPL course, that some years ago there was a student who fake his logbook, he just went to the airport and look on what airplanes where flying and wrote those hours as if he was flying himself, the funny part arrived when examiner asked him, wow you have 50 hours on X plane, is the airplane good? The guy answered with yes is really nice, and the examiner replied: Oh great because this is MY airplane 
During many years of being an ATO on simulator instrument rating renewals, I have asked the candidates for their log books. Of course they were needed for the old "sticky labels, anyway - but not now under part 61 requirements.
It didn't take long to become quite cynical at the falsification of hours I observed. It varied. Command hours logged when plainly it was either dual instruction or co-pilot time. Hundreds of ICUS hours when it was clear it was co-pilot time. But mainly logging of claimed instrument (f)lying hours. Taxiing included in instrument flight time. The classic I will always remember was a former Australian domestic airline B727 first officer who of 5000 total hours had logged over 2500 instrument flight time including no doubt as he enjoyed his breakfast, lunch or dinner on his lap while twiddling the autopilot controls on "his leg".
To this day I am still not quite sure if an ATO is legally required to peruse the log book of IPC applicants since there is no requirement to enter a certificate or equivalent into an applicants log book anymore.
It didn't take long to become quite cynical at the falsification of hours I observed. It varied. Command hours logged when plainly it was either dual instruction or co-pilot time. Hundreds of ICUS hours when it was clear it was co-pilot time. But mainly logging of claimed instrument (f)lying hours. Taxiing included in instrument flight time. The classic I will always remember was a former Australian domestic airline B727 first officer who of 5000 total hours had logged over 2500 instrument flight time including no doubt as he enjoyed his breakfast, lunch or dinner on his lap while twiddling the autopilot controls on "his leg".
To this day I am still not quite sure if an ATO is legally required to peruse the log book of IPC applicants since there is no requirement to enter a certificate or equivalent into an applicants log book anymore.
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Skymates in Texas is a known place for dudes with lots of Bogus hours.
Even when they on the right hand seat not flying they log P1 .
Even when they on the right hand seat not flying they log P1 .
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"The individual you speak of didn't happen to claim to have flown a large chinese turboprop over in asia? Aussie bloke who used to be an instructor and used to look at teeth for a living prior to that?"
One would of thought that particular filthbag would of been caught out years ago.....
One would of thought that particular filthbag would of been caught out years ago.....
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I have known a couple pilots to have put a few extra hours (thousands) in their log book over the years. Unfortunately one of them was my boss.
Mentioned he had 5000 hours when I started working with him. Few years later he had over 8000. Problem is I flew every hour with him and I logged 1000 extra.
People don't realise that hours do not accurately say that a pilot is 'good'..
It is very unfortunate that people do this and it pisses others off when a job is taken from them.
Would love to name and shame this guy as many believe he is a prick.
Mentioned he had 5000 hours when I started working with him. Few years later he had over 8000. Problem is I flew every hour with him and I logged 1000 extra.
People don't realise that hours do not accurately say that a pilot is 'good'..
It is very unfortunate that people do this and it pisses others off when a job is taken from them.
Would love to name and shame this guy as many believe he is a prick.
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Ok mate,you start,name a few,and we will follow.....
Quote,Chocks away......Its time to name and shame those that lie and/or fail, as the ounce reputable, honest and highly held profession of Airline Pilot has now sunk into the realms of what bit of paper with fake quals you can get out of India/Thailand, instead of honest logbook hours & Reference Checks.
Quote,Chocks away......Its time to name and shame those that lie and/or fail, as the ounce reputable, honest and highly held profession of Airline Pilot has now sunk into the realms of what bit of paper with fake quals you can get out of India/Thailand, instead of honest logbook hours & Reference Checks.
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I had the job of hiring many many pilots in XXXX over a 12 year period on to large jets, perhaps looked at maybe 7-800 pilots from all over the world and their logbooks.Faked and/or false logbook entries were common.The evidence always come to me in the SIM where flying skills never matched the logbook.Many entries were easy to spot as fake, sometimes the hours on a page didnt even add up properly.This is a serious industry wide problem and if someone is willing to conduct logbook background checks for a reasonable fee it can be stopped.Take a random page then track down the aircraft logs in detail its not that hard, just takes a little time, then publish that pilots details on the internet, it will soon stop.
It has been going on for decades, I remember a very senior check CP flying the 757 at a UK charter mob being fired after 15 years of very successful and competent service because it turned out he had faked 'most' of his military hours. Was only rumbled when another military pilot joined and was introduced to the said CP at induction as 'here is someone you will know since you were both in the same squadron!'. Very embarrassing, but by all accounts he was a top bloke and good aviator. I guess what I am saying is that false hours don't automatically mean crap pilot. What it does show is that jobs advertised on 'hours' is very arbitrary when each individual is the person responsible for producing records of those hours, more emphasis needs to be put on competence as opposed to total time.
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I don't understand the point of this thread. Everyone knows people fake hours. It sucks but unless you can come up with a more effective was of policing it, then what are you trying to make happen here? Surely you're not suggesting people hide behind screen names to post the real names of pilots on the internet to accuse them of fraud? Surely not.
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I guess what I am saying is that false hours don't automatically mean crap pilot
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Chocks Away, you claim to know several pilots with fake hours and then go on to ask others to name and shame without even having the guts to do it yourself?
Don't think this thread should last much longer.
Don't think this thread should last much longer.
I am aware of someone that logged PIC time in a rear facing passenger seat of a Seneca for which he was not endorsed. This was picked up by the CP who was the owner of said Seneca.