Australian pilots can work for US regionals.
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From: Australia
Probably sound incredibly ungrateful after the last 2 years but am still tempted to give up a narrowbody gig in Oz with all the E3 positions on offer, especially with some willing to sponsor a green card.. or could be exciting to get in at somewhere like Breeze in the early days..
The people going to Breeze are definitely taking a shot, and good on them if it works out, to be sub 100 seniority at Jetblue 2.0 could be pretty awesome. It would be an adventure for sure. If you're single, a greencard probably is in your future.
I'd say an LCC here is better than working for Qantas / Jetstar (given the outsider knowldge I have of the job,) but a regional here is not better than working for any narrowbody operator in Aus.
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This popped up again this morning:
“We are pleased to inform you we are seeking Current and Non-Current Australian Captains and First Officers to fly the E145 jet aircraft and invite you to attend online interviews!”
https://jobs.flightglobal.com/job/14...mpaign=general
“We are pleased to inform you we are seeking Current and Non-Current Australian Captains and First Officers to fly the E145 jet aircraft and invite you to attend online interviews!”
https://jobs.flightglobal.com/job/14...mpaign=general
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This popped up again this morning:
“We are pleased to inform you we are seeking Current and Non-Current Australian Captains and First Officers to fly the E145 jet aircraft and invite you to attend online interviews!”
https://jobs.flightglobal.com/job/14...mpaign=general
“We are pleased to inform you we are seeking Current and Non-Current Australian Captains and First Officers to fly the E145 jet aircraft and invite you to attend online interviews!”
https://jobs.flightglobal.com/job/14...mpaign=general
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Gidday all, first time long time. I'm wondering if those in the know can share their thoughts on which operators currently offering initial E3 sponsorships they would recommend the highest. Not Including Atlas and Breeze pls.
I am going through the interview process with one group over there and chatting to a few others directly through their recruitment teams.
Which of those regionals do you guys think are in the strongest position? And the weakest? For example I have heard some concerns about GoJet's position and future.
Cheers!
I am going through the interview process with one group over there and chatting to a few others directly through their recruitment teams.
Which of those regionals do you guys think are in the strongest position? And the weakest? For example I have heard some concerns about GoJet's position and future.
Cheers!
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From: The oldest state
Gidday all, first time long time. I'm wondering if those in the know can share their thoughts on which operators currently offering initial E3 sponsorships they would recommend the highest. Not Including Atlas and Breeze pls.
I am going through the interview process with one group over there and chatting to a few others directly through their recruitment teams.
Which of those regionals do you guys think are in the strongest position? And the weakest? For example I have heard some concerns about GoJet's position and future.
Cheers!
I am going through the interview process with one group over there and chatting to a few others directly through their recruitment teams.
Which of those regionals do you guys think are in the strongest position? And the weakest? For example I have heard some concerns about GoJet's position and future.
Cheers!
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From: tossbagville
You can probably overthink the 'which regional' thing. Weigh up what you want, the staff travel will be better with wholly owned for example, if staff travel doesn't float your boat maybe the bases do? Commutairs pay is significantly lower than most of the rest but in the end, they're all much of a muchness. PSA's QOL is said to be better than the rest.
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From: USA
To say it won’t happen is disingenuous as know one really knows. It could go either way.
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From: US via Oz, Honkers & Blighty.
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With respect, I think that’s an oversimplified view. While I agree that you can’t say that E3’s definitely won’t flow, it’s certainly more unlikely than it is likely. We had this discussion the last time flow of E3’s came up and I still believe it’s more than likely AAG hasn’t even considered the prospect of E3’s in their interview stack. It’s something they’ll only have to consider, when the first one’s number comes up. UAL, while it doesn’t have any flow agreements has recently changed its requirements to “does not need sponsorship” from “legal right to live and work in the US”. This is because ALPA is involved and aware of E3’s.
I would be surprised if the APA doesn’t get involved in the same way. Sure, I may not know the nuts and bolts of it but I would bet my next paycheck on what the general sentiment would be amongst AA pilots if they are made aware that AAG was hiring “foreigners on visas”
With respect, I think that’s an oversimplified view. While I agree that you can’t say that E3’s definitely won’t flow, it’s certainly more unlikely than it is likely. We had this discussion the last time flow of E3’s came up and I still believe it’s more than likely AAG hasn’t even considered the prospect of E3’s in their interview stack. It’s something they’ll only have to consider, when the first one’s number comes up. UAL, while it doesn’t have any flow agreements has recently changed its requirements to “does not need sponsorship” from “legal right to live and work in the US”. This is because ALPA is involved and aware of E3’s.
I would be surprised if the APA doesn’t get involved in the same way. Sure, I may not know the nuts and bolts of it but I would bet my next paycheck on what the general sentiment would be amongst AA pilots if they are made aware that AAG was hiring “foreigners on visas”
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It wouldn't surprise me if AA just hasn't ever considered what to do with E3s nearing the end of the flow-up pipeline. They likely didn't expect them to hang on that long.
havick,
Is there a publicly-available AA document laying out the criteria for a pilot to flow from a wholly-owned to AA mainline ? Maybe E3s are mentioned in there ?
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This from AA Mainline's pilot quals website. Doesn't an E3 meet them ?:
"Must have the right to work in the United States
· Additionally, we require all of our pilots to have a valid passport and documentation allowing for entry into
the United States after an international flight."
https://aa.pilotcredentials.com/qualifications
"Must have the right to work in the United States
· Additionally, we require all of our pilots to have a valid passport and documentation allowing for entry into
the United States after an international flight."
https://aa.pilotcredentials.com/qualifications
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From: US via Oz, Honkers & Blighty.
This from AA Mainline's pilot quals website. Doesn't an E3 meet them ?:
"Must have the right to work in the United States
· Additionally, we require all of our pilots to have a valid passport and documentation allowing for entry into
the United States after an international flight."
https://aa.pilotcredentials.com/qualifications
"Must have the right to work in the United States
· Additionally, we require all of our pilots to have a valid passport and documentation allowing for entry into
the United States after an international flight."
https://aa.pilotcredentials.com/qualifications
So, it’s either been US citizen or PRC holder. Now we have another option and it has unforeseen consequences. As far as I know the E3 is only valid for a specific amount of time. We’re simply not at the point yet, where we’re so desperate for pilots, they need to interview, train and pay someone who can’t stay permanently. And that’s not taking the politics of it into account.
I don’t agree with it but the reality is that no one at the legacy level really cares what’s going on at the Regionals, or if they have a few Australian pilots working for them. That changes when those E3’s can start taking slots from either US citizens or PRC holders. Added to which the landscape of the regional world, at least as far as UAL is concerned will be very different. UAL is getting 100 73’s a year for the next 4 years to replace RJ’s and nothing else.
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Kenny,
"...the reality is that no one at the legacy level really cares what’s going on at the Regionals, or if they have a few Australian pilots working for them."
Well, maybe at some point they'll have no choice but to care ?
It's getting interesting...and entertaining.
"...the reality is that no one at the legacy level really cares what’s going on at the Regionals, or if they have a few Australian pilots working for them."
Well, maybe at some point they'll have no choice but to care ?
It's getting interesting...and entertaining.
Last edited by bafanguy; 8th February 2022 at 06:18.