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Old 4th Apr 2023, 15:17
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Pretty persistent rumour over here that Delta are on the brink of hiring E3's. Would certainly make things even more interesting.
Late April fools joke? Would make things very interesting if it were to happen
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 16:27
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Originally Posted by abaderrr
Pretty persistent rumour over here that Delta are on the brink of hiring E3's. Would certainly make things even more interesting.
Tell him he's dreamin. The same rumour was circulating about Southwest but haven't heard anything since. I doubt the unions at the majors would let it happen
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 16:28
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Delta and E3s ? I tend to be skeptical of that.
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Old 4th Apr 2023, 17:15
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Not happening.
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 08:05
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It was posted on another forum, United have 100+ a/c coming every year for the next 4-5 years, expected to be looking for 2500+ pilots a year. Don't know if they'll ever need to use the E-3 path either, but if you're considering E-2/Green Card application, it could be an option. In any case it will create a lot of movement.

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Old 5th Apr 2023, 08:36
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Originally Posted by abaderrr
Pretty persistent rumour over here that Delta are on the brink of hiring E3's. Would certainly make things even more interesting.
Regionals would prob be absorbed into mainline before that happens. Iíd venture there would prob be an acquisition first also of some smaller fry, like the mob I work at.
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 14:39
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AA mainline have direct hired an E3 who is starting with them in May.

They had some high up friends and connections and will be used as a trial.

Things are getting very interesting indeed.

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Old 5th Apr 2023, 14:56
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Originally Posted by Captain.Crunch
AA mainline have direct hired an E3 who is starting with them in May.

They had some high up friends and connections and will be used as a trial.

Things are getting very interesting indeed.

Wow !
How about Fedex ?
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 15:04
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Originally Posted by Captain.Crunch
AA mainline have direct hired an E3 who is starting with them in May.

They had some high up friends and connections and will be used as a trial.

Things are getting very interesting indeed.

HOLY S..T!!
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 15:47
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Originally Posted by Captain.Crunch
AA mainline have direct hired an E3 who is starting with them in May.
By "direct hired", do you mean straight off the boat with no FAA tickets (a la regionals) or has he previously been flying for someone in the US ?
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Old 5th Apr 2023, 18:16
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Originally Posted by KAPAC
Wow !
How about Fedex ?
FedEx is hardly hiring at all at the moment, let alone E3s
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Old 6th Apr 2023, 04:43
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
By "direct hired", do you mean straight off the boat with no FAA tickets (a la regionals) or has he previously been flying for someone in the US ?
No I mean as in an off the street hire, not through a flow program.

They have been flying in the US for some time with a wide range of 121 flying in the US and overseas.

Experience on a few different jets in both seats, wide body time, etc. They are highly experienced.
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Old 6th Apr 2023, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Captain.Crunch
No I mean as in an off the street hire, not through a flow program.

They have been flying in the US for some time with a wide range of 121 flying in the US and overseas.

Experience on a few different jets in both seats, wide body time, etc. They are highly experienced.
Would be interesting to know the scoop here. Sounds unlikely due to the unions. AAL pilots would be furious if this is true.
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Old 6th Apr 2023, 13:10
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Would be interesting to know the scoop here. Sounds unlikely due to the unions. AAL pilots would be furious if this is true.
Doesn't really matter. If it's not prohibited by the contract they can't do much about it. It's likely most AA pilots don't know about it.
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn
Doesn't really matter. If it's not prohibited by the contract they can't do much about it. It's likely most AA pilots don't know about it.
Exactly this, also the heat on E3s has settled down since all of the pay increases across the board.

It really was trigger by the MEC at Spirit when mgmt were stalling their negotiations and at the same time announced a pilot hiring roadshow across Australia.

Was not the best timing.

For now, it's only one pilot and this is exactly the same way it began at all the other places that everyone said would never hire an E3 pilot.
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Old 6th Apr 2023, 14:33
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Originally Posted by Captain.Crunch
Exactly this, also the heat on E3s has settled down since all of the pay increases across the board.

It really was trigger by the MEC at Spirit when mgmt were stalling their negotiations and at the same time announced a pilot hiring roadshow across Australia.

Was not the best timing.

For now, it's only one pilot and this is exactly the same way it began at all the other places that everyone said would never hire an E3 pilot.
itís a pretty big deal. We are not talking ACMI, spirit or frontier or regionals. AAL, UAL, DAL, FEDEX, UPS a whole different ball game. We donít know the circumstances of this one pilot. He may have married into the US.
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Originally Posted by halfmoon
itís a pretty big deal. We are not talking ACMI, spirit or frontier or regionals. AAL, UAL, DAL, FEDEX, UPS a whole different ball game. We donít know the circumstances of this one pilot. He may have married into the US.
No they did not marry an American, they are an E3 pilot.

End of the day the bulk of the retirements have not really started to kick in. This could be AA trying to get ahead of the curve. There are a number of E3 pilots at the AA wholly owned regionals who are only months away from their flow dates.

They have also been assured that their flow will be honored, but no greencards have been filed for yet. Which means the only way that could happen is via an E3 visa.
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Old 6th Apr 2023, 15:11
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Originally Posted by SIDS N STARS
It was posted on another forum, United have 100+ a/c coming every year for the next 4-5 years, expected to be looking for 2500+ pilots a year. Don't know if they'll ever need to use the E-3 path either, but if you're considering E-2/Green Card application, it could be an option. In any case it will create a lot of movement.
Highly, highly unlikely. UAL ALPA are VERY aware of the E3 and consider it a huge threat to US pilots. Whether rightly or wrongly and they’ll put the dues of a 16000 strong membership to use, to fight it. Considering we’re already not far from a strike vote over the delays with a new contract, UAL would be very stupid to push this and p!ss off the locals over something guaranteed to have them grabbing the pitchforks.
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Old 6th Apr 2023, 16:06
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One thing being discounted is the level of experience US carriers are getting through E3ís. Atlas has obtained a lot of Aussies guys/gals from CX/EK/EY/QR, including senior C&Tís, that have years of long-haul, wide body experience. Thatís a big departure from the majors getting the majority of new hires from regionals etc with limited experience.

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Old 6th Apr 2023, 16:17
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Originally Posted by abaderrr
One thing being discounted is the level of experience US carriers are getting through E3’s. Atlas has obtained a lot of Aussies guys/gals from CX/EK/EY/QR, including senior C&T’s, that have years of long-haul, wide body experience. That’s a big departure from the majors getting the majority of new hires from regionals etc with limited experience.

Double edged sword, though. That experience is only worth it with the right attitude. Given the Australian propensity to be incapable of not letting everyone how much they know, I’ll take the Regional RJ new hires I’m currently training on the 777 at UAL, over some Oztranaught checkie with a chip on his shoulder.

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