Australian pilots can work for US regionals.

[F0z]

My friend asked this question of the FAA recently and their correspondence said something along the lines of "ask your instructor/training organization."

Go figure...

From my perspective I guess the idea is to weed out those who once had an IPC years ago but have been flying predominantly VFR recently, thus may end up with issues in their type rating training.

[Rogerwood]

Originally Posted by havick

This is bad advice.

back in 2015/2016 most of the examiners were new to foreign license conversion ATP rides. Now they’re well versed most examiners know the FSIM’s requirement for a current IPC.

so your saying Havick that I will have to show my CASA IPC is valid to an examiner doing an USA A320 check ride with my FAA medical and ATP license? Rubbish

[bafanguy]

This may be somewhat old news but I'm not on FaceBook so can't check it out fully. It's dated April:

Umm, OK...not sure why the link won't post but it was from Frontier Airlines advertising for E3s.

It's the 2nd link down on this:

https://www.google.com/search?client...railian+pilots

[tossbag]

so your saying Havick that I will have to show my CASA IPC is valid to an examiner doing an USA A320 check ride with my FAA medical and ATP license? Rubbish

If the FAA is directing you to your 'instructor/training organisation' and that organisation says you need a current IPC, then.......you need a current IPC. I know of two organisations that 'require a current ME IPC'

So, it's probably best to have a current ME IPC.

havick has been on this thread for a particularly long period of time, I don't know the person, haven't ever communicated with him/her but in this case, I'd be taking their advice. Some of the early E3's are now LCA's. Some of them have spent time in the training departments, I think they know what they're talking about.

[DropYourSocks]

Originally Posted by Rogerwood

so your saying Havick that I will have to show my CASA IPC is valid to an examiner doing an USA A320 check ride with my FAA medical and ATP license? Rubbish

Slow your roll there big fella. As tossbag has said, Havick has been passing on knowledge of the US for at least the last 5 years, and has helped more pilots then I'd care to count, including myself. You would be wise to heed his advice... or don't, your choice.

[Rogerwood]

Originally Posted by DropYourSocks

Slow your roll there big fella. As tossbag has said, Havick has been passing on knowledge of the US for at least the last 5 years, and has helped more pilots then I'd care to count, including myself. You would be wise to heed his advice... or don't, your choice.

Im very happy with advice from anyone, but I here from the FAA directly that an Oz medical and IPC means nothing on an endo as you have to get an USA medical and IPC in the check ride. No one has distinctively stated that you need it or not. Advice is great and warranted but if you’re going to give it make sure it’s 100% correct. Lots of different opinions but none definitive. Just saying go and get a medical and ipc at $2000 upwards is good advice but if it’s not required then having currency on instruments etc is your choice.

[DropYourSocks]

Spirit In Country

Just in case anyone missed this:
https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...irst%20Officer
Have at it you animals, and good luck.

Also, apparently you can line up a Frontier and Avelo interviews through Aero Crew Solutions. Not sure exactly how it works, but here's the link if anyone wants it.

https://calendly.com/d/dnd-sn8-6tj

[tossbag]

Advice is great and warranted but if you’re going to give it make sure it’s 100% correct. Lots of different opinions but none definitive.

Dude, I'm telling you, at one airline at least, YOU NEED a current ME-IR IPC.

[Rogerwood]

Originally Posted by tossbag

Dude, I'm telling you, at one airline at least, YOU NEED a current ME-IR IPC.

Thanks. That’s definitive advice. That’s all where after.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by DropYourSocks

Just in case anyone missed this:
https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...irst%20Officer
Have at it you animals, and good luck.

Also, apparently you can line up a Frontier and Avelo interviews through Aero Crew Solutions. Not sure exactly how it works, but here's the link if anyone wants it.

https://calendly.com/d/dnd-sn8-6tj

DYS,

Interesting. I understood AFAP wasn't going to allow ads by US airlines. Spirit must've gotten significant interest from Down There if they're going to send interview teams for local face-to-face interviews.

Interesting times.

[Rogerwood]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

DYS,

Interesting. I understood AFAP wasn't going to allow ads by US airlines. Spirit must've gotten significant interest from Down There if they're going to send interview teams for local face-to-face interviews.

Interesting times.

Will there be 30 “count the buttons a factory produces in 33.31 lunar days by 43 workers at 76548 a millisecond” questions? Then a suck up to the HR department over lunch, followed by a sim ride with a 20 year retired grumpy 727 captain?

Or will they respect your flying experience, ask questions relative to the type of role you will perform?

[tossbag]

bafanguy, you know how pretty much every US airline is falling over themselves to retain pilots, all of the wholly owned AA regionals upping the hourly rate from $52 an hour to $90 an hour hour. UPS putting forward a contract extension that sees a 10 year captain on $466,492 USD. a 15 year captain on $490,515 USD . A 10 year FO on $296,937 USD , a 15 year FO on $319, 371 USD.

Well, there are Australian B737 FO's on $113,000, yes, that's $79,000 USD.

Australian pilots know there's a recruiting boom coming but they're voting themselves decreases in pay!

GTFOOH

By the way $490,515 USD converts to $701,434 AUD

Yet you still have Australian pilots trying to tell the world they are among the best paid domestic pilots in the world.

[WannaBeBiggles]

Originally Posted by tossbag

Dude, I'm telling you, at one airline at least, YOU NEED a current ME-IR IPC.

Can confirm, I know someone. personally that was sent home to renew his IPC after making the trip believing that he'll get past. Some have been successful, but it's a gamble that could cost you time, money and seniority!

[umop apisdn]

Originally Posted by Rogerwood

Will there be 30 “count the buttons a factory produces in 33.31 lunar days by 43 workers at 76548 a millisecond” questions? Then a suck up to the HR department over lunch, followed by a sim ride with a 20 year retired grumpy 727 captain?

Or will they respect your flying experience, ask questions relative to the type of role you will perform?

I'm not sure if you're joking or not but it's just an interview. No sim ride. No stupid questions. They will hire you unless you're a complete idiot.

[DropYourSocks]

Originally Posted by umop apisdn

I'm not sure if you're joking or not but it's just an interview. No sim ride. No stupid questions. They will hire you unless you're a complete idiot.

I'd like to add to "unless you're a complete idiot", with bringing an Oztranaut attitude with you. I know more than a few guys sent home because they couldn't let go of Australian best practices.

To be fair though, most American recruiters don't really understand the heartache that goes into a lot of the nuances of Australian aviation either. The struggles of all 7 atpl subjects, the years of being a bush pilot, the absolute anal-retentive focus on the exact right order of a ctaf radio call, or the 3 shuttle re-entries required to sit right seat in a Saab.

My advice to those who will be coming over; don't hold on so tight, and you will have a good time flying with the Americans. But if you lead with, "I've done X, Y and Z, therefore I..." you're going to have a bad time.

As those above have said, there's a lot of money on the table over here. You might not have a green card right now, but that's not to say you won't in the future.

Good luck y'all.

[Rogerwood]

Originally Posted by umop apisdn

I'm not sure if you're joking or not but it's just an interview. No sim ride. No stupid questions. They will hire you unless you're a complete idiot.

yes mate joking. Anyone who has done a QF interview would understand that comment.

[PPRuNeUser 44695]

Slight thread drift on my part, but this may offer some further thought into whether or not to depart Australia without a current medical or IPC.

I'm in Asia and out of work due to the pandemic and now age. Applied for a sim instructing qualification which was accepted by a well know identity in this region. Long story short, but everything I previously held has lapsed so my foreign license (Australian ATPL) has to be validated again, and this includes an Australian medical. My Asian ATPL expired piece by piece and is now worthless. The bare minimum I now need is a CASA Class 1 medical, and this is for a sim job, not flying. This requires travel overseas to complete. As others have alluded to, I'd be cautious about leaving Australia without the backbone of a current Australian medical and IPC.

[galdian]

Originally Posted by WannaBeBiggles

Can confirm, I know someone. personally that was sent home to renew his IPC after making the trip believing that he'll get past. Some have been successful, but it's a gamble that could cost you time, money and seniority!

So someone's willing to uproot to the USA having jagged an E3 slot? Congratulations.

Same person is questioning the wisdom of making things as simple as possible for themselves AND the sponsoring E3 organisation by taking a spin in a Duchess or similar and doing a medical to ensure a long validity CASA Class 1 medical?
Couple of thousand $$ tops I'd imagine, wise investment IMHO.

Could end up nasty if the gamble NOT to have a current IPC/Medical turns to !!!!!
Cheers

[SkewedFlaps]

I have been going through all the regulations and FSIMS manual for airmen certification. What I can see that is required to conduct the practical portion of ATP:

Current FAA class 3 medical.
CPL with IR or ATPL with instrument privileges/rating and a valid verification letter.

From what I can see, going it alone without an airline you do not need to have passed a PC or IR renewal to take the practical portion of the check ride.

Can anyone else confirm that this IR currency fiasco is only a requirement of the E3 sponsoring airlines?

[Kenny]

Originally Posted by DropYourSocks

I'd like to add to "unless you're a complete idiot", with bringing an Oztranaut attitude with you. I know more than a few guys sent home because they couldn't let go of Australian best practices.

To be fair though, most American recruiters don't really understand the heartache that goes into a lot of the nuances of Australian aviation either. The struggles of all 7 atpl subjects, the years of being a bush pilot, the absolute anal-retentive focus on the exact right order of a ctaf radio call, or the 3 shuttle re-entries required to sit right seat in a Saab.

My advice to those who will be coming over; don't hold on so tight, and you will have a good time flying with the Americans. But if you lead with, "I've done X, Y and Z, therefore I..." you're going to have a bad time.

As those above have said, there's a lot of money on the table over here. You might not have a green card right now, but that's not to say you won't in the future.

Good luck y'all.

To add onto what Socks said above. Success as an Australian in the US is really down to two things. They’re not inherently difficult but pretty much essential.

Firstly, while you may have done things differently and in YOUR opinion better than the Yanks whilst in Australia, it’s their train set and you will get a reputation for being a royal pain in the arse, if you keep telling them how much better the Australians are at aviation. I’ve done both FAA and CASA at the airline level and there are good and bad ideas on both sides of the pacific.

Secondly, don’t be the whiney, nasally Australian. It isn’t cute or attractive. It‘s annoying as hell and a complete embarrassment to the rest of us. I’ve been here, on and off for 23 years and apart from the odd comment, I’ve done what I think is pretty good job of flying the flag. They’re a good bunch and you’ll meet some outstanding aviators but there’s always the 1%, no matter where you go.

Australia is a lot of good things but aviation best practice, simply isn’t one of them.

Steps off soapbox.