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Old 16th Jun 2015, 06:09
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I know of 5 or 6 Qantas pilots now flying for Chinese airlines, but I am just a lowly line driver so couldn't tell you accurate numbers, I would say there are more.
Regarding exchange rate, at 1:1 they were ahead, now much more so!
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 06:22
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If QF were are private company yes entirely true the T & C s are absolutely none of anyone's business.

But you are a public company, with public shareholders so they are entitle to know pretty much everything about wages from the cleaner to CEO.

Moreover your company tries to fleabag on the Australian taxpayer to the tune of $3 billion, & will likely try to get back on the public tit so your wages & conditions are of interest to every taxpayer.

Someone said you had a dozen each of 380s, 744s, and 330s for your international fleet - pretty much what you had 30 years ago really, so you have remained static while the market has grown 600%.

Look at the scale of the widebody fleets at SIA & Cathay , how much they have grown , and the number of aircraft they have on order. Both airlines serve 10 to 12 European cities , you guys are reduced to what is it - a daily flight to London.

Do you think you might have a bit of a problem ?

ACMS as you seem to like direct comparisons how is this one

Ten CX Second Officers: 1 million ; Ten QF A380 Second Officers : 2.5 million

It's a bit more than as you would say "Sweet F____ All" , such eloquent & sophisticated language you have.

I would say pretty much all of the LH crew are overpaid by $100K, in terms of any reasonable comparison. The SOs taking home $280K on the 380 , just ridiculous & greed beyond words.

Earning what a mid 30s senior associate in legal/accounting/principal engineer - all who studied for 4 plus years full time , would earn , on the back of a 12 month vocational level course at Flight training Adelaide.

That is why your international business mathematically just cannot make a profit.

The T & C s are of interest because your employer consistently attempts to parasite on the taxpayer & because they are the prime reason you are failing

Do a very basic analysis of a Cathay V Qantas HK/Aust return flight, on a wages basis the Cathay guys would be paying somewhere between $20K to $40K less per flight in wages for that service. Same for SIA - you are getting murdered on wages costs per service to the tune of $30K for every service.

That is why you can't make money & why you don't have any orders for new 787s, 777s, A350s when SIA & Cathay have dozens of such orders.

No money in the bank to pay for the new planes, the company wants to by new fuel efficient aircraft but can't do so because flight/cabin crew are
paid 50% to 250% (A 380 Second Officers) more than their skill set can reasonably justify

Where do guys reckon you will be in 30 years from now , still at 1985 levels you reckon ?

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Old 16th Jun 2015, 06:50
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Do a very basic analysis of a Cathay V Qantas HK/Aust return flight, on a wages basis the Cathay guys would be paying somewhere between $20K to $40K less per flight in wages for that service. Same for SIA - you are getting murdered on wages costs per service to the tune of $30K for every service.

What crap. A Sydney Hongkong Sydney return is 20 hours credits. Cpt $275 an hour $5500, FO $3750, SO $2475. Total $11725. So on your figures you moron the Cathay pilots are flying for nothing. Crawl back into your hole and stay there, it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 06:51
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You can't read can you FBN----

I fly the same A/C as a QF LH guy on around the same money give or take a little.

Give up.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 07:06
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"What Crap"

What a highly intellectual & sophisticated response you make.

The trip will take a week, or will be only work done by said crew for that one week.

Just sum the total of aircrew + cabin crew wages (annualized) for one week & do a subtraction, you will find the calc is quite accurate.

You also have to work out the difference in cash allowances given at the port , understand the QF boys & girls are on two or three times the cashies
that most other airlines get - likely a couple of grand there already

You starting to see why you are getting eaten alive ?
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 07:23
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You starting to see why you are getting eaten alive ?
As an observer, who doesn't have knowledge of the QF costs, I am not being convinced FBN. The reason is that people who actually do the work provide real examples of why you are incorrect and your response to that is to make a school ground comment about their language and provide no clear argument for your position. It makes you seem less credible than them.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 07:42
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Well I am not sure how gaining a CPL/IR & having a pass in year 12 qualifies someone to know anything at all about business or financial matters.

The reality is that if the QF pilots had real expertise & skills in airline management this fact would have been identified & they would have been hired by airline boards all around the world to run their airlines. As we know not one QF pilot has been hired to run an airline anywhere , but my goodness they talk a big game.

Check the average wages of QF V CX cabin crew & you have your answer right there, then tip in the weekly wages of the Sydney Glamour Boy (A380 Second Officer), & you are easily over $20k crew cost differential per service.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 07:43
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FBN-Let me see Qantas Group profit 2008 $1.4 Billion 208 aircraft/Qantas Group loss 2014 $2.8 Billion with 303 aircraft and revenue has declined from $15.627 Billion in 2008 to $15.352 Billion with a 45% increase in fleet. Maybe Mr Joyce(Bernie Madoff of aviation) has grown the wrong entity! Houston we have a problem!
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 07:53
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FBN, you keep asking everybody else to check their figures between QF vs (insert airline here) which many have responded with actual figures, but not once have you given any figures to support your argument.

You're a troll.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 07:57
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FBN. The worst kind of troll.

Just ignore the troll guys.

He has no idea what he's talking about. Anyone within Qantas, as I am, or in any of the airlines he uses for his fragile arguments know he has absolutely no clue.

I'm afraid he shows every symptom of a sad wannabe who looks longingly from afar to a job he would dearly love and has no hope of ever achieving. Instead he takes some perverse pathetic pleasure from throwing rocks at what he perceives to be unrealistic remuneration.

It's jealosy, plain and simple.

Sad thing is, anyone reading his posts who is actually in the industry, have worked him out. So every post he makes just reinforces how pathetic he is in the minds of those professional drivers who actually know the truth.

Just go away you little worm. Back to plane spotting or computer simulators or whatever else you wannabes do when you have both hands free. Rest of the time we know exactly where your right hand is. Stop it or you'll go blind.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 07:58
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FBN I don't know what Cathay cabin crew rates are but you seem to know everything. So, please enlighten me with what they earn on the HKG return you talk about so I can compare apples with apples. Don't worry about the Qantas rates as in know them.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 08:01
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"The trip will take a week, or will be only work done by said crew for that one week."


Nope, wrong again. I will also go to Perth and back in that week and then I will run out of hours by hitting my 30 in 7(you know what that is don't you FBN?).


"Moreover your company tries to fleabag on the Australian taxpayer to the tune of $3 billion, & will likely try to get back on the public tit so your wages & conditions are of interest to every taxpayer."


And if the government did invest in QF back then, they would have doubled their money on today's share price, that takes into account the dilution. I bet the budget could have used a $3 billion dollar kick.


"The T & C s are of interest because your employer consistently attempts to parasite on the taxpayer"


See above. With 20/20 hindsight the government should have invested. They didn't so it is no ones business what I earn. If you think it is and you are a shareholder then you should be taking down the CEO for allowing my pay to be what it is.


"I would say pretty much all of the LH crew are overpaid by $100K, in terms of any reasonable comparison."


Wrong again, having spoken to CX, EK, QR, AA pilots, my wage in my rank is on par.


"Earning what a mid 30s senior associate in legal/accounting/principal engineer - all who studied for 4 plus years full time , would earn , on the back of a 12 month vocational level course at Flight training Adelaide."


I have been to uni, really, you think its that hard to get a degree? A bit of application is all it takes. The Adelaide course vocational, I found it as hard as a uni degree, application was all it required. You too could probably do it, rather than whinging on here about how hard done by every pilot is but a QF pilot. But I know that won't happen, much easier to try tear others down, rather than spending your time to build yourself up.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 08:07
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Why do you assume that everyone would want to be an airline pilot, I think it would be quite boring.

Confined space for hours on end with two or three other egocentric men - not for me I am afraid

I think the anger & personal abuse directed at me , who is quite simply pointing out the obvious , demonstrates a lot of angst & jealousy within the QF pilot group

You are jealous of the success & continued expansions of your competitors , the new gear they fly ,your own unfulfilled ambitions, the promotions they have , continued aircraft orders , job security.

Don't you have heaps of guys in LH who have been rotting in the RHS for twenty years , & scores of 10 plus year second officers. What a sad career it has been for these people.

AR: you must have done a pretty mickey mouse degree if it only was as hard as CPL/ATPL theory , what did you do Punjab Yoga Massage at Edith Cowan or something ? It sounds like you might be a 20 year LH FO ?

Rome is burning & you really just don't want to accept it.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 08:09
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Well I am not sure how gaining a CPL/IR & having a pass in year 12 qualifies someone to know anything at all about business or financial matters.

The reality is that if the QF pilots had real expertise & skills in airline management this fact would have been identified & they would have been hired by airline boards all around the world to run their airlines. As we know not one QF pilot has been hired to run an airline anywhere , but my goodness they talk a big game.
FBN,
Seeing your such a worldly expert on aviation management 101, qualify your big claims for us with a look at your qualifications and a factual spreadsheet of your numbers?

Standing by in anticipation.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 08:10
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Right on cue, another post full of vitriol, but once again lacking in facts.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 08:16
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Flyboat North won't be back for a week or so.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 08:42
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FBN wrote
Why do you assume that everyone would want to be an airline pilot, I think it would be quite boring.

Confined space for hours on end with two or three other egocentric men - not for me I am afraid
Two years ago he also wrote:
Hold a CPL and wish to complete MECIR which flying schools in Melbourne area currently have this approval, my understanding is that Oxford and TVSA currently are signed off. Does anyone know the mechanisms/rules of doing training under VET in terms of could you do it part time etc ? Any other schools got the tick in the box yet ? Thanks and feel free to PM
And then spent the next 12 months enquiring about the Jetstar cadet program and the TTMRA.
He may have an ally in Bill English (the Finance Minister of New Zealand )though, who visited Australia this week. When asked what challenges he thought the Aus economy faced he said he had met a waiter on his trip who was going to earn $40 an hour this weekend, he said "that must be the highest paid waiter in the world" and went on to talk about how Australia has to remain competitive.
This agreement appears to be a sensible middle ground that both the pilots and the management are comfortable with. Excellent.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 08:48
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I heard Network is in advanced talks for acquiring A318/9/20 for FIFO work to replace the Fokkers.
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 09:13
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Thanks framer, must be rather embarrassing for the young chap. Trolling on here only to be exposed as a failed want-a-be with a huge chip
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Old 16th Jun 2015, 09:23
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Flyboat North won't be back for a week or so.
Ahhhhh. That's better already.
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