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Old 1st Sep 2015, 03:44
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It won't be a problem soon because all the service stations around Moresby are running out of petrol. So nobody will be driving anywhere anyway.
Problem solved !!
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 04:07
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Originally Posted by TBL Warrior View Post
Was the real story a 4am drop off to HB where he was met by the angry parents?

Killer loop you could write a synopsis on third world incarceration
4 am drop off? Back in my day I'd just give them a pmv fare on their way out the door. The NCA boys called it deferalisation
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 06:53
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Captain XXXX can count himself lucky he did not have a bloodier story to tell. Being in civvies they would have no idea that he was a PX Capt, which might have made them think twice about pursuing him, who knows.Its way back in the mists of last century now since I had any involvement there, but I remember there was a little bit of respect accorded the pilots. And F27s were exciting..

Maybe they have all adopted the chest beating anti paleface attitude. I did not say "anti-expat" because I am told that they do not consider Fijians, Tongans,Indians and the like being in the country and filling up good job vacancies-to be "expats." They are apparently o.k. Maybe they weren't guilty of "colonial practices" .
That was a management line told to me late last year when the PX contracts were being "negotiated"- I believe it was actually written by one of the national department heads involved.
"Expats" to them seem to mean nowadays -white Australian tasol.Kiwis would probably get a white hat as well.

I think the whole point about the Capt XXXX post is that no matter how many physical assets they have acquired --high rise buildings, new roads, flyovers, airport terminals,supermarket and whatever else they have built of late--if the criminals are disembarking from a police vehicle to ply their trade --they are still mentally and govern-mentally a type of 2.5 world banana republic.

Harsh? I think not. If your police force and defence force personnel are basically out of control, which has been proven by countless sordid incidents faithfully recorded by their own media over the years (thank you, internet) , then sori tomas ,that is a fact.

Politics aside, it is pretty clear now there is much better job value elsewhere if you are a pilot, or for that matter any other qualified person looking for a career.Better money, better living standards and workplace environment, and actual job prospects beyond a year or two.
PX even as a "stepping stone" now looks to be not worth the constant hassles and risks any more.A pity ,because my memories are all good--a place of tremendous natural beauty and lovely people.

Ive recently been told that the back-packer living that the Company is forcing on the pilots with the forced sharing of apartments with random partners is to continue for another year! If that doesn't break the camels back then the camel is missing most of its brain.Even a new Cadet has his own accommodation, so why should sharing be ok for senior Captains and F/Os?.

All the rumors(and that's what this website is about ,right?) I hear suggest that they don't care about their airline winding down too much.There is some quick buck fantasy (for a few big men I guess) involving privatisation coming "soon". How it will work is anyone's guess, but we can be sure it will be interesting,in the Chinese sense.

Good Luck Capt XXXX you have a good dinner time story to take with you now from the land of the unexpected--or as a late friend of mine used to say, "'the land of the expectorant"
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Old 1st Sep 2015, 07:24
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They didn't think twice when I got rolled in the PX hangar car park a few years ago, that was the beginning of the end for me.

Loved that job - but that place :/
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 05:26
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Mr.TBL Warrior, a synopsis is a brief summary or general survey of something usually consisting of between 500 and 800 words.
You my friend could write a novel (100-120,000 words) on night driving (and your misadventures) to such places as a Badili, Baruni, Bomana, Boroko, Ela Beach, Ensisi Valley, Erima, Gabi, Gerehu, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven and Nine Mile, Gordon’s, Waigani and Saraga. Of course your area of expertise would be a chapter solely on the challenges and attractions of Hanuabada.
Now back to the topic………………….
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 11:42
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Old 2nd Sep 2015, 22:19
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Back on track, amended court date (edited):

The PX and R.L. appeal against the judge’s original decision to join the parties together will be heard in Supreme Court Waigani on September 7th.

This is called a directions hearing.

For this hearing PX has prepared what is termed their "appeal book" which is as it's name suggests is a book containing all the documents which PX will be relying on to support their appeal.

At the Directions Hearing on 7th the judge will confirm the appeal book and decide on a date for the hearing.

This may be in October, but more likely in November, as the court books are chokkers according to the solicitor.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 04:32
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olderairblower court will shut in December - January

It's a job for next year
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 06:26
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Em I isi:

1. Rausim olgeta aid I kam long Australia.

2. Givim olgeta manmeri wanplea banara.

3. Givim olgeta manmeri planti spakbrus.

4. Sindaun isi na lukim pait.
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Old 4th Sep 2015, 08:12
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No need for number one, two three and four are happening anyway.
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Old 5th Sep 2015, 03:48
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Could this is be true?

AeroRescue lads from Cairns helping PX management by accepting B Scale contracts joining the F100/70 fleet.

If it's true I'm hoping they don't know about the pay & conditions court case..
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 23:12
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......then I imagine they will be quite popular with their new work mates
Their new workmates will probably look at them with pity seeing that they have had the need to except a job that comes with such a crappy contract, such crappy conditions, ...well crappy everything really.

And when the new accommodation block is open next to ANG Haus at the Airport, they will not only have the "pleasure" of working for PX, they will be able to enjoy their "off" time under the watchful eyes of PX Management that work in the building right next door.
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Old 6th Sep 2015, 23:48
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AeroRescue lost the SAR contract to Cobham next year, so those lads are going to lose their jobs regardless. Can't blame them for trying to keep food on the table, still pays better than Centrelink....
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 05:33
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A very long bow to draw parallels to '89, at least IMHO.

From contact with some of the guys still there I get the feeling that they don't give a flying F*@K who comes and works at PX, as many have more important things to consider, ....such as how to get another job and leave the place.

CJ, it does pay better than Centrelink, but at PGK 116,000 (DH8 FO), or PGK 271,000 (DH8 Captain) with PNG tax and superannuation, one could do a lot better elsewhere, and do it in a better atmosphere.

Of course the Fokker salary is a bit better, but being at the mercy of the PGK/AUD exchange rate would be a concern.

Pity the type rating bond is in AUD though.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 07:34
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Whilst the money might be Sh!t compared to what it used to be, try getting over $120K as a DHC8 captain in Oz, simply isn't possible. On the positive, the Kina has gone up, it about 0.50 to the AUD today and there are tax advantages to self contributed super in PNG - far better super deal in PNG than in Oz albeit its self contributed.

I'm not defending ANG, I'm merely pointing out some facts.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 08:59
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Hey Duck,
Spot on mate, the boys at AeroRescue are just trying to look after the family with food and a roof. If, some of these desktop drivers could understood the pressures of being a pilot with a family and being in GA 😫
Having been at ANG myself for three years some time back, I must say, it was the best flying I have ever experienced- bar none. Today, in a stable job in OZ, it's as boring as BAT-Shit!!
I would go back in a heart beat if the conditions were well right, and you were well respected,as they should be, because it requires a certain breed of pilot who can keep the operation on the rails. You have to pay well for that core experience , probably gained over many years of exposure in PNG. It's a job at a certain time of your life if your looking for adventure. I must say also,it's not necessarily an expat thing, some of the most admired and respected pilots I ever flew with were seasoned PNG nationals.
All the best for those that choose that gig. I hope in the end the board reverses there decision to reduce the companies core experience and they hold on to the dedicated individuals that have maintained a zero hull loss record since inception.

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Old 7th Sep 2015, 09:29
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The only problem is that PX management have said over and over again that there will be no expat pilots within 5 years and they started saying this in November last year. That is almost 1 year ago so only 4 left and given the massive recruitment of cadets they may even fast track the 2020 cull finalisation date.

They have determined the future so may I suggest stop living in the past.
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 11:31
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The Contract Pay Level on offer for a DH8 Captain is PGK271,130. The transition exchange rate of .40 equals $AUD108,452.

However, with the higher PNG tax, and no super, the equivalant AUD salary (at .40) is around $AUD 91K - somewhat short of your $120K....

far better super deal in PNG than in Oz albeit its self contributed.
You are making a joke, right...right??
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Old 7th Sep 2015, 12:31
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How can they lock anyone into an exchange rate if you elect to get paid in country into a PNG bank account, they can't prohibit an expat electing to get paid in country. Once the money is in the bank account you ain't locked to anything. It's a gamble I know, however the way the AUD is falling at the moment you are going to be better off, even with the bank fees to do TTs, that can now be done remotely online.

Re the super, it makes money if you play your cards correctly.

You guys need financial advise if you can't work this out, re the super.

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Old 7th Sep 2015, 21:28
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No expats by November??
Who wrote that?

From the contract: PNG based Employees will have their salary paid into a PNG bank account in PGK.

And reference the "Super", if you stay in excess of 5 years and you are a bit on the older side it can work in your favour a little but if you are on the younger side you will still pay tax rates in excess of 30% and have to wait 12 months after leaving the country- not PX - before you have access to it. Leave any earlier and you pay full tax. Is this the sort of financial advice you are referring to Duck Pilot?

Hopefully this clarifies things a bit.

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