is this the end of QF INT ?
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oh really ?
So why is it called peak season ?
Yes, less business types travelling, but many flights go out close to 100% full.
Good luck trying to go subload in the 6 weeks from mid Dec to late Jan.
So why is it called peak season ?
Yes, less business types travelling, but many flights go out close to 100% full.
Good luck trying to go subload in the 6 weeks from mid Dec to late Jan.
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"cart" the really scary thing, is that pilots don't know where the revenue, that pays their wages comes from.
Peak season means demand is so high, that airline can charge more. Yes there might be less business men & women flying, but in school holidays there are never ever enough seats. Supply vs demand.
Would suggest, that without peak season demand, many airlines might as well close down tomorrow.
Peak season means demand is so high, that airline can charge more. Yes there might be less business men & women flying, but in school holidays there are never ever enough seats. Supply vs demand.
Would suggest, that without peak season demand, many airlines might as well close down tomorrow.
The LA run is the least of QFs problems at the moment!!
It is a business route as mentioned, and over the holidays, less business passengers, so put out some attractive fares..........makes sense..........all airlines do it from time to time as the market dictates!!
It is a business route as mentioned, and over the holidays, less business passengers, so put out some attractive fares..........makes sense..........all airlines do it from time to time as the market dictates!!
Protect Australian Jobs? Not!
I keep hearing this crap about supporting Qantas "to protect Australian jobs". This is crap.
Qantas and successive Australian Governments have no compunction whatsoever about offshoring Australian jobs at the first opportunity and also of replacing Australian workers under the 457 visa provision.
The only reason any Australian working for Qantas has a job is that the company has yet to find a way of substituting a cheap foreign replacement for you.
Over time you will be replaced, count on it. You have no career prospects. The Board and senior management have demonstrated their hatred of their workforce many times.
If you want to see how the ultimate business model looks, travel on a Carnival cruise lines vessel:
- The entire workforce is selected so no ethnic group prevails - "divide and rule".
- there is a "black gang" of poorly paid and clothed indians who do the maintenance and heavy cleaning. They are forbidden to be anywhere near the passengers, you only see them if you get up early and go looking.
- The "Front of house" people speak English. They are drawn from developing countries, Eastern Europe and the Balkans. They look the part but know nothing about anything outside the ship. They are very poorly paid.
- All staff are employed through agencies on short term contracts lasting about Ten Cruises. At the end of each cruise about Ten percent of crew are replaced as their contracts have expired. The staff never know if their contract will be renewed. In this environment Unionism is virtually impossible. As for the women crew members, they are replaced by prettier girls when they age.
I could see exactly the same strategy employed at Qantas.
Qantas and successive Australian Governments have no compunction whatsoever about offshoring Australian jobs at the first opportunity and also of replacing Australian workers under the 457 visa provision.
The only reason any Australian working for Qantas has a job is that the company has yet to find a way of substituting a cheap foreign replacement for you.
Over time you will be replaced, count on it. You have no career prospects. The Board and senior management have demonstrated their hatred of their workforce many times.
If you want to see how the ultimate business model looks, travel on a Carnival cruise lines vessel:
- The entire workforce is selected so no ethnic group prevails - "divide and rule".
- there is a "black gang" of poorly paid and clothed indians who do the maintenance and heavy cleaning. They are forbidden to be anywhere near the passengers, you only see them if you get up early and go looking.
- The "Front of house" people speak English. They are drawn from developing countries, Eastern Europe and the Balkans. They look the part but know nothing about anything outside the ship. They are very poorly paid.
- All staff are employed through agencies on short term contracts lasting about Ten Cruises. At the end of each cruise about Ten percent of crew are replaced as their contracts have expired. The staff never know if their contract will be renewed. In this environment Unionism is virtually impossible. As for the women crew members, they are replaced by prettier girls when they age.
I could see exactly the same strategy employed at Qantas.
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“….you only see them if you get up early and go looking”
So you went looking? Which I guess means you were onboard the ship.
Which really means that you, the customer, were demanding the service be delivered at a certain price point and in order to achieve that, the cruise company is forced to drive labor costs down.
YOU, meaning US, are the reason for the problems that prevail in high cost western countries. You want the service and will pay the low ticket price and then lament the drive towards lower wages within your own industry!
We are all guilty and rather hypocritical.
So you went looking? Which I guess means you were onboard the ship.
Which really means that you, the customer, were demanding the service be delivered at a certain price point and in order to achieve that, the cruise company is forced to drive labor costs down.
YOU, meaning US, are the reason for the problems that prevail in high cost western countries. You want the service and will pay the low ticket price and then lament the drive towards lower wages within your own industry!
We are all guilty and rather hypocritical.
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Sunfish and The Professor have nailed it.
This is where our industry is headed.
The public's hypocritical demand for cheap fares will continue to drive pay and conditions through the floor.
I hope I'm retired before they really get there.
PG
This is where our industry is headed.
The public's hypocritical demand for cheap fares will continue to drive pay and conditions through the floor.
I hope I'm retired before they really get there.
PG
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Sunfish,
It's true that cruise ship staff are low paid and there is a reliance on payment of a gratuity at the end of the cruise. This structure of the gratuity and how it cascades down the ladder is explained to the passengers. It's an American business model although you can choose NOT to pay it. You can tip directly to those who have provided the service such as cabin staff, dining room staff,etc.but not the Captain or his crew as they are paid quite well and I expect in accordance with their responsibilities, i.e 3000 persons on board.
My experience has been different to yours as we had Indonesians and Philipinos most of whom spoke English and were treated well enough. If they did not meet performance KPI's, they would not get another cruise contract
I WOULD cruise again.
I'm sure Qantas management would LOVE to "drop and drag" some elements of this business model, but most is impractical to apply in this industry. An example would be that most crew live on the vessel for the duration of their contract being about 3 months at a time.
I don't see reliance on tips to get a reasonable return in the future, but contracts could be.
It's true that cruise ship staff are low paid and there is a reliance on payment of a gratuity at the end of the cruise. This structure of the gratuity and how it cascades down the ladder is explained to the passengers. It's an American business model although you can choose NOT to pay it. You can tip directly to those who have provided the service such as cabin staff, dining room staff,etc.but not the Captain or his crew as they are paid quite well and I expect in accordance with their responsibilities, i.e 3000 persons on board.
My experience has been different to yours as we had Indonesians and Philipinos most of whom spoke English and were treated well enough. If they did not meet performance KPI's, they would not get another cruise contract
I WOULD cruise again.
I'm sure Qantas management would LOVE to "drop and drag" some elements of this business model, but most is impractical to apply in this industry. An example would be that most crew live on the vessel for the duration of their contract being about 3 months at a time.
I don't see reliance on tips to get a reasonable return in the future, but contracts could be.
BNE A320, since you're up to speed on these things, you'd be aware that Airline Economics 101 states that you operate your most expensive aircraft on high yield routes and your cheapest aircraft (ie off lease & fully written off) on low yield routes.
Why then is QF Group management doing the exact opposite - new B787's, A320's to the LCC while the premium higher yielding carrier is left with less efficient but fully paid off aircraft?
Why then is QF Group management doing the exact opposite - new B787's, A320's to the LCC while the premium higher yielding carrier is left with less efficient but fully paid off aircraft?
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qf just announced they are giving many trans tasman routes to jq. ok it goes from qf jetconnect nz to jq nz but bet jq pay less than qf
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