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Idiots probably had VOR centre on both ND's and didn't have a look a the picture on the lovely big LCD's Boeing fitted to the 787.
Wouldn't the EGPWS have made a few calls associated with Terrain clearance floor or Runway clearance floor when they weren't lined up on the correct Runway 34 at ML or would EN RWY 35 be in the 787 data base??
Either way.....
Wouldn't the EGPWS have made a few calls associated with Terrain clearance floor or Runway clearance floor when they weren't lined up on the correct Runway 34 at ML or would EN RWY 35 be in the 787 data base??
Either way.....
Just looked up the A330 Terrain clearance floor warning function of the EPGWS and inside 12 nm from the intended runway the floor is 400' AGL. So unless AI descended below about 730' AMSL ( RWY 34 elev is 330' ) around 12 nm ML RWY 34 threshold then they wouldn't have got a warning. ( unless there is an obstacle close by as well )
Oh well so much for that theory!!
Oh well so much for that theory!!
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Looking around out the window it could easily be mistaken EN drome as Tulla as the rwy complex is similar (not identical though).
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those that have and those who will
let he who is without sin cast the first stone
there but for the grace of…….
and so it goes
for those of us who operate to mel environs often, hard to fathom. for those of us who operate further afield, often rarely or for the first time... not so much
let he who is without sin cast the first stone
there but for the grace of…….
and so it goes
for those of us who operate to mel environs often, hard to fathom. for those of us who operate further afield, often rarely or for the first time... not so much
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And the complete lack of any real terminal or apron to speak of, not to mention a severe dearth of other international aircraft wouldn't have set some alarm bells off? I'm not a pilot but even I know the terminals are included in the Jepps.
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Air India B787 almost lands at the wrong airport in Melbourne
Air-India 787 warned off wrong Melbourne Airport landing | Plane Talking
An Air-India Dreamliner 787 was at low altitude on Tuesday morning and about to touchdown at the wrong Melbourne Airport, Essendon rather than nearby Melbourne International, when it was warned off by AirServices Australia.
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For about the third time this has nothing to do with the SHEED visual arrival, pretty hard to line up with Essendon from overhead...
they were well south of Essendon and being radar vectored visually onto RWY 34 by the sounds of it.
they were well south of Essendon and being radar vectored visually onto RWY 34 by the sounds of it.
I can see why this wasn't investigated. Sounds to me like they were being vectored to the VOR (as often happens) and then for one reason or another took a visual approach. This has happened to me on numerous occasions when ATC offer up the visual approach during vectors to expedite the approach or decent. Obviously they then lined up on the Northerly RWY at ESS. Now at some point on that approach either the crew or ATC or both realised the mistake and a missed approach was undertaken. Sounds as though everything actually worked well, someone was on the ball and prevented a c*ckup.
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I'm not a pilot but even I know the terminals are included in the Jepps.
This is PPrune...
What was on the chart reflected nothing in reality.
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I don't think it was Bolty because the 11dme arc is over the southern shore of the city whereas the aircraft started turning final over the Bayside and straightened out for a YMEN 35 by the time it was over Brighton.
If it had been from Waren, then it should have tracked 319 to Michm first before turning left to track 264 to Bolty.
It definitely wasn't the infamous Sheed, as that would have at least required tracking over Monty first and tracking 257 towards Sheed. I dare say a drop from Sheed at 2500 and sharp right would have ended in soiled pants.
I agree that the PF probably accepted a visual clearance and was too proud to refuse it - classic mistake.
If it had been from Waren, then it should have tracked 319 to Michm first before turning left to track 264 to Bolty.
It definitely wasn't the infamous Sheed, as that would have at least required tracking over Monty first and tracking 257 towards Sheed. I dare say a drop from Sheed at 2500 and sharp right would have ended in soiled pants.
I agree that the PF probably accepted a visual clearance and was too proud to refuse it - classic mistake.
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Second busiest airport in Aus and doesn't have an ILS on both ends of the longest runway.
We should be embarrassed that our facilities don't match those of most of the world.
We should be embarrassed that our facilities don't match those of most of the world.
ILS is very good but really not required for 34 YMML. The 787 is Gnss Rnp capable and can virtually get over the end of the runway on centreline on a 3* path by itself if the pilots know what they are doing without any nav aids. Lnav and Vnav are enormously capable in this aircraft and yet the crew didn't use it correctly. Also when is ATC going to modernise there thinking and stop stuffing around with VOR radials. Bloody stuck in the 70s. GBAS approach could also be an alternative.
At an ATC info night we were informed that foreign carriers were not issued the Sheed arrival because they stuffed it up in the past. "Only for the locals...." I saw a Korean heavy wobble out of the sky onto RWY34 MEL some years ago giving the Sheed a try.
Gotta love the selective way of doing ATC in this country...along with the stupidly steep airspace control steps that stuff up jet arrivals.
Gotta love the selective way of doing ATC in this country...along with the stupidly steep airspace control steps that stuff up jet arrivals.
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At an ATC info night we were informed that foreign carriers were not issued the Sheed arrival because they stuffed it up in the past. "Only for the locals...." I saw a Korean heavy wobble out of the sky onto RWY34 MEL some years ago giving the Sheed a try.
Did it myself half a dozen years ago when I almost did the reverse. Coming in to Essendon in the middle of the night, over Mt Dandenong and saw a runway. Lined up on it on about a 30 mile final and flew on. I was about ten miles out when I realised I was looking at an airport where the terminal buildings were on the south side of the runway... but Essendon has the buildings on the north side.
