MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
Jetstar/ConAir again leading the world.
'Our 787's have the lowest fuel burn, of not just our competitors but of any 787 operator and through these extraordinary achievements and our exceptional Management Team seeking profitability at every turn we are propelling the Group to even greater profitability'.
'Our 787's have the lowest fuel burn, of not just our competitors but of any 787 operator and through these extraordinary achievements and our exceptional Management Team seeking profitability at every turn we are propelling the Group to even greater profitability'.
Oh come on, I despise the Orange cancer as much as the next guy but it's quite common now days to see idle 787's from JQ and RB ( and other types ) sitting there and other locations all over YMML between flights........
Nothing to do with Christine Milne and jealousy, more to do with bloody minded stupidity.
787's are desperately needed in Qf where they could have been making -really- good money since they were delivered.
But the idiots in charge decided to use them as marketing billboards for the ongoing Orange debacle.
787's are desperately needed in Qf where they could have been making -really- good money since they were delivered.
But the idiots in charge decided to use them as marketing billboards for the ongoing Orange debacle.
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Don't you mean "Green WITH envy", Blueskymine?
Too many sayings being poorly misquoted nowadays
(Look them up, "Googles your friend" or just don't use them if you don't understand where they originated from.)
Sorry for the sidetrack, Carry on
Too many sayings being poorly misquoted nowadays
(Look them up, "Googles your friend" or just don't use them if you don't understand where they originated from.)
Sorry for the sidetrack, Carry on
Keg,
From the information I have the B787-9 could do the GC track DFW-MEL with an ADL or SYD alternate provided the average HW component was not greater than 6 kts. This assumes a MWTO from DFW.
The 'planned' B777-8X could do the GC track DFW-MEL with an ADL or SYD alternate provided the average HW component was not greater than 16 kts. This assumes a MWTO from DFW.
I do not have any relevant A380 info.
From the information I have the B787-9 could do the GC track DFW-MEL with an ADL or SYD alternate provided the average HW component was not greater than 6 kts. This assumes a MWTO from DFW.
The 'planned' B777-8X could do the GC track DFW-MEL with an ADL or SYD alternate provided the average HW component was not greater than 16 kts. This assumes a MWTO from DFW.
I do not have any relevant A380 info.
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This from the refueller in Ballina, or was it Townsville?
- 787 will not go to QF Mainline
- 787 will be used to fill gaps in international market where QF Mainline cost base is too high
- Mainline International will ONLY do trunk routes, won't get any bigger, but probably not any smaller, either
- 747 will be replaced, when the time comes, by some form of efficient twin (a350 / 777)
- 787 operation will either be a JQ "plus" product, or a QF "lite" product ie full service, better than current JQ international product, not as much provided as QF international
- as to who is going to fly it, he didn't know...
- 787 will not go to QF Mainline
- 787 will be used to fill gaps in international market where QF Mainline cost base is too high
- Mainline International will ONLY do trunk routes, won't get any bigger, but probably not any smaller, either
- 747 will be replaced, when the time comes, by some form of efficient twin (a350 / 777)
- 787 operation will either be a JQ "plus" product, or a QF "lite" product ie full service, better than current JQ international product, not as much provided as QF international
- as to who is going to fly it, he didn't know...
Nunc est bibendum
Thanks B772. Appreciate the info.
I note that the numbers B772 provided included an alternate of Sydney for Melbourne. That would translate to an approx 35-40 knot headwind if no alternate was carried. That is certainly not unrealistic.
"Provided the average HW component was not greater than 6 kts"
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Beware the Qantas investment trap
Surely Australia's luckiest investors were those that backed the failed bid to buy Qantas in 2007. A late fax cruelled the $5.60 a share bid and investors including Qantas chairwoman Margaret Jackson and CEO Geoff Dixon, despite their best efforts to lose their shirts, kept them. By last December Qantas' share price had crashed to under a dollar.
In the way of these things, the announcement of $2.8bn loss on 28 August has delivered a 21% share price rally. After steering clear for almost seven years, the punters are back nibbling at the red 'roo.
If purchased cheaply enough, hopelessly managed businesses in awful industries can be good investments. The question is whether this particular hopelessly managed business will ever trade at a price low enough to warrant buying in. I doubt it.
Australians remain confoundingly attached to Qantas and its iconic status, in part due to clever advertising that implies flying anyone but Qantas is un-Australian (unless it's Emirates, in which case no problem).
In February this year Essential Research found that almost half those surveyed wanted the Government to buy a share in Qantas and 42% supported full nationalisation. As far as our national airline is concerned, half the country is stuck living in an era when Qantas bought its first 767.
People love Qantas and are desperate for it to succeed, perhaps to the point of buying shares in it at prices not low enough to compensate for the risks.
So if the 20% price increase since the recent loss announcement isn't a financial expression of misplaced patriotism, what is it?
According to Brand Directory, in 2013 the country's leading brands included Woolworths in top spot, followed by BHP Billiton, Telstra, Coles and the big four banks.
Despite grounding the airline in 2011, massive losses, old aircraft, declining customer service and a shrinking network, Qantas still came in at 14, above AMP and Westfield.
In a brand sense, Qantas keeps impressive company. But as an investment it's a long way from first class. Too many investors place Qantas in the blue chip category along with the likes of Woolies and Telstra because they falsely associate brand strength with business quality.
That's a potentially expensive mistake because the business risks to an airline are far deeper and more extensive than they are to a supermarket chain or telecommunications carrier.
There is no equivalent to an air crash, a terrorist attack, SARS and volcano eruptions for Woolworths and Telstra, to say nothing of the awful economics of the airline industry in general.
That makes Qantas more like a speculative gold stock than a grocery or banking giant. And yet people see it as a blue chip due to its brand strength and iconic status.
Thoughts of the privately owned 'national airline' send people's patriotic hearts swooning and before you know it they've pressed the Buy button after a $2.8bn loss because Alan Joyce has told them once again 'the worst is over'.
In an industry where the worst is almost never over the case for 'intelligent speculation' will often be weak. But if you can think of an investment in Qantas as you might a gold explorer or biotech stock rather than a blue chip like Telstra or Woolworths, at least you'll be going in with your eyes open. my bold
Read more: Beware the Qantas investment trap
Surely Australia's luckiest investors were those that backed the failed bid to buy Qantas in 2007. A late fax cruelled the $5.60 a share bid and investors including Qantas chairwoman Margaret Jackson and CEO Geoff Dixon, despite their best efforts to lose their shirts, kept them. By last December Qantas' share price had crashed to under a dollar.
In the way of these things, the announcement of $2.8bn loss on 28 August has delivered a 21% share price rally. After steering clear for almost seven years, the punters are back nibbling at the red 'roo.
If purchased cheaply enough, hopelessly managed businesses in awful industries can be good investments. The question is whether this particular hopelessly managed business will ever trade at a price low enough to warrant buying in. I doubt it.
Australians remain confoundingly attached to Qantas and its iconic status, in part due to clever advertising that implies flying anyone but Qantas is un-Australian (unless it's Emirates, in which case no problem).
In February this year Essential Research found that almost half those surveyed wanted the Government to buy a share in Qantas and 42% supported full nationalisation. As far as our national airline is concerned, half the country is stuck living in an era when Qantas bought its first 767.
People love Qantas and are desperate for it to succeed, perhaps to the point of buying shares in it at prices not low enough to compensate for the risks.
So if the 20% price increase since the recent loss announcement isn't a financial expression of misplaced patriotism, what is it?
According to Brand Directory, in 2013 the country's leading brands included Woolworths in top spot, followed by BHP Billiton, Telstra, Coles and the big four banks.
Despite grounding the airline in 2011, massive losses, old aircraft, declining customer service and a shrinking network, Qantas still came in at 14, above AMP and Westfield.
In a brand sense, Qantas keeps impressive company. But as an investment it's a long way from first class. Too many investors place Qantas in the blue chip category along with the likes of Woolies and Telstra because they falsely associate brand strength with business quality.
That's a potentially expensive mistake because the business risks to an airline are far deeper and more extensive than they are to a supermarket chain or telecommunications carrier.
There is no equivalent to an air crash, a terrorist attack, SARS and volcano eruptions for Woolworths and Telstra, to say nothing of the awful economics of the airline industry in general.
That makes Qantas more like a speculative gold stock than a grocery or banking giant. And yet people see it as a blue chip due to its brand strength and iconic status.
Thoughts of the privately owned 'national airline' send people's patriotic hearts swooning and before you know it they've pressed the Buy button after a $2.8bn loss because Alan Joyce has told them once again 'the worst is over'.
In an industry where the worst is almost never over the case for 'intelligent speculation' will often be weak. But if you can think of an investment in Qantas as you might a gold explorer or biotech stock rather than a blue chip like Telstra or Woolworths, at least you'll be going in with your eyes open. my bold
Read more: Beware the Qantas investment trap
And a huge drop in the share price today... -5.73%
I don't think AJ is getting away with it this time.. building up for a interesting AGM this year possibly?
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in part due to clever advertising
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A simple no-brainer that attracts customers to your product....it's called A D V E R T I S I N G !!!
Emirates partner Qantas cancels Dubai-London flights
Emirates partner Qantas cancels Dubai-London flights - ArabianBusiness.com
Joyce’s mangy kangaroo must look to Asia for help
Alan Joyce hopes Asian carriers to save Qantas, Jetstar | Crikey
Alan Joyce hopes Asian carriers to save Qantas, Jetstar | Crikey
Qantas stake not for us, says Emirates
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Qantas to wind back overseas routes as Jetstar set to become Australia’s main international airline
No Cookies | Herald Sun
No Cookies | Herald Sun
All the good work the operational staff do day in day out, gets destroyed by the brand management and/or the management team at the top.
This has got to be the worst corporate affairs/media board & management team I have ever seen in Australia, what's worse, they are still there thinking they are doing a great job when in reality, the writing is on the wall "cast in stone" saying otherwise ..
Slight change of tack
Interesting 4 corners tonight (Australian ABC 15/9) on Macau Casino's.
Murky world and I am of the belief no one is 'completely pure' in the gambling world, but many references to the Ho's and no, not the girls we all know and love but the family.
Among many other references (and this from a separate 2009 source):
The New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement also recommended that the company be "directed to disengage itself from any business association" with Pansy Ho, who owns 50 % of the us$ 1.25 billion MGM Grand Macau. The report was revealed in a filing by MGM to the US stock exchange late Tuesday. The regulator did not give any reason for its findings in the filing.
Who knows? Maybe you need this 'type' of assistance to get anything done in China, but there are no shortage of 'dodgy' associations that current QF management have cultivated all over the world. Not what I would expect from a 'Premium Brand' or Legacy carrier.
Interesting 4 corners tonight (Australian ABC 15/9) on Macau Casino's.
Murky world and I am of the belief no one is 'completely pure' in the gambling world, but many references to the Ho's and no, not the girls we all know and love but the family.
Among many other references (and this from a separate 2009 source):
The New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement also recommended that the company be "directed to disengage itself from any business association" with Pansy Ho, who owns 50 % of the us$ 1.25 billion MGM Grand Macau. The report was revealed in a filing by MGM to the US stock exchange late Tuesday. The regulator did not give any reason for its findings in the filing.
Who knows? Maybe you need this 'type' of assistance to get anything done in China, but there are no shortage of 'dodgy' associations that current QF management have cultivated all over the world. Not what I would expect from a 'Premium Brand' or Legacy carrier.