When is the next cull at QF Engineering?
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FTP, that may be true, but I guess it'll ultimately come down to each individual's ability to adapt. Regional aviation or GA will be a huge shock to those who've spent the last 10+ years in the QF world, but it's not impossible.
In fact, older trades people will have the advantage of years of experience that I don't have. And, if they've been prudent, they'll have most of their CASA Basics complete and most of their SOE complete.
Either way, best of luck to all facing the axe.
Merry Christmas!
John
In fact, older trades people will have the advantage of years of experience that I don't have. And, if they've been prudent, they'll have most of their CASA Basics complete and most of their SOE complete.
Either way, best of luck to all facing the axe.
Merry Christmas!
John
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Forstaff/Qantas try to bribe engineers
In order to quell the rampant sick leave burn at Avalon (Qantas Base Maintenance) , which is currently 33 days per person per year, prior to the base shut down in March, Forstaff and Qantas have offered an attendance incentive. A letter has been sent to each employee stating that THE ENTIRE WORK FORCE needs to achieve an absenteeism average below 3.85%, that is 10 days per person per year for the remaining 3 months of operation. If they can achieve this they will get 2 WHOLE weeks additional redundancy. What a joke! 
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The only thing that is a joke is that they even have to consider doing it. What a great work practice to convince the world (and QF) that they got it wrong.
No wonder all the operators are heading off shore for heavy maintenance.
No wonder all the operators are heading off shore for heavy maintenance.
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I work with a lot of A cat guys where I am now, the company abuses these guys almost uses them as B cat guys, running around signing dailies weeklies and other various tasks.
The A guys know this is wrong but do it because they want to be B cat guys.
I asked a A cat guy the other week ok so you have a type rating yes? yes I do ok so can you do an engine start on this a/c?
umm yes I can,.
Asked him run me through what you are going to do where switches are and what are you watching.
The blank look was worry some, (note I am a trainer here) but this guy went through someone else.
A cat guys are great to have around but they concentrate so hard on what they can do they lose thee ability to do everything else.
Under A cat lic you can't raise an MEL or an ADD, B1 B2's will always have a place on line and in a hangar just you will obviously need less of them.
Oh B2's need not worry no B1 I have met will replace you I can put my hand on my heart and say a good B2 is worth his/her weight in gold when the ****e hits the fan!
EASA has a lot to answer for it is a cheap and nasty way of getting your license.
I have met many guys who have cash go and do all B1 n B2 modules in 21 days yes they are bloody awesome they come out and they know it all.
OZ has a lot to catch up on, we all wanted EASA licenses well welcome to the land of the cheap and everything goes!
Oh EASA has now past a reg pilots can do ETOPS preflights, so all the guys doing flying spanner roles sorry.
Yes EASA we love you!!!
The A guys know this is wrong but do it because they want to be B cat guys.
I asked a A cat guy the other week ok so you have a type rating yes? yes I do ok so can you do an engine start on this a/c?
umm yes I can,.
Asked him run me through what you are going to do where switches are and what are you watching.
The blank look was worry some, (note I am a trainer here) but this guy went through someone else.
A cat guys are great to have around but they concentrate so hard on what they can do they lose thee ability to do everything else.
Under A cat lic you can't raise an MEL or an ADD, B1 B2's will always have a place on line and in a hangar just you will obviously need less of them.
Oh B2's need not worry no B1 I have met will replace you I can put my hand on my heart and say a good B2 is worth his/her weight in gold when the ****e hits the fan!
EASA has a lot to answer for it is a cheap and nasty way of getting your license.
I have met many guys who have cash go and do all B1 n B2 modules in 21 days yes they are bloody awesome they come out and they know it all.
OZ has a lot to catch up on, we all wanted EASA licenses well welcome to the land of the cheap and everything goes!
Oh EASA has now past a reg pilots can do ETOPS preflights, so all the guys doing flying spanner roles sorry.
Yes EASA we love you!!!
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Avalon attendance incentive
Avalon employees have been offered 2 weeks additional redundancy if they can keep sick leave to an average of 10 days per year per person. It is currently 33. Avalon base maintenance closes in March. What a joke.
Avalon employees have been offered 2 weeks additional redundancy if they can keep sick leave to an average of 10 days per year per person. It is currently 33.
If 33 days per year of sick leave is indicative of other productivity figures, then it's no wonder the place is being closed.
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The question to ask is, what was the sick leave situation like before they announced the closure? If it was similar to now, then they've had a problem for a long time. If it has only become an issue since they announced the closure, what did they expect?
The workers may have not taken too many sick days over the years, but now there is no incentive not to take them. They're just showing the same amount of loyalty that has been shown to them.
If management could not see that this was going to happen, well they're just as thick as the rest of the management at QF.
The workers may have not taken too many sick days over the years, but now there is no incentive not to take them. They're just showing the same amount of loyalty that has been shown to them.
If management could not see that this was going to happen, well they're just as thick as the rest of the management at QF.
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Accumulated sick eave is not paid out when any termination event occurs. This is a known amongst employees, and some will see that in order to "redeem" some of this leave, and a doctors certificate will be sought as it is a requirement to access this leave.The stress from the imminent closure might be considered enough reason for doctors to issue one, but of course, that's up to them.
It's the cost of doing business.
I would rather those that are suffering deeply from this stress, be not working on aircraft on which others are to fly.
Accumulated sick leave is a liability that bean counters hope is never paid out and this apparent "dangling carrot" is just an attempt to limit the pay out.
It's the cost of doing business.
I would rather those that are suffering deeply from this stress, be not working on aircraft on which others are to fly.
Accumulated sick leave is a liability that bean counters hope is never paid out and this apparent "dangling carrot" is just an attempt to limit the pay out.
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Do you think that this is going to cause workers against worker doing this to them? Looks like it only takes a few real sick leave days and the squabble will be on?
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Great to see the new OPS Managers doing the rounds in SYD
I'm so glad they were able to justify the positions, given the half yearly loss and at least 1000 jobs to go.
How many Operations Managers is it, that have been recently recruited around the country?
I'm so glad they were able to justify the positions, given the half yearly loss and at least 1000 jobs to go.
How many Operations Managers is it, that have been recently recruited around the country?
The Ops Managers will ultimately be responsible for the performance and engagement of the teams they lead, including:
Maintaining and nurturing our safety culture.
Professional development, performance management and coaching of their teams, approval of training and resolution of any disciplinary issues
Communicating the vision and direction of the QE and Sydney Line Maintenance, and ensuring the employees under their care are engaged with our vision of being ‘best in class’.
Making customer centred decisions with delegated accountability from the Part 145 holder
Carrying out the business owner’s financial responsibility to control cost (approve overtime, set operational priorities, etc.), and providing the material support for their area of responsibility
Driving operational performance, budget performance, human factors and risk mitigation strategies
Any other duties and responsibilities required by the business
Maintaining and nurturing our safety culture.
Professional development, performance management and coaching of their teams, approval of training and resolution of any disciplinary issues
Communicating the vision and direction of the QE and Sydney Line Maintenance, and ensuring the employees under their care are engaged with our vision of being ‘best in class’.
Making customer centred decisions with delegated accountability from the Part 145 holder
Carrying out the business owner’s financial responsibility to control cost (approve overtime, set operational priorities, etc.), and providing the material support for their area of responsibility
Driving operational performance, budget performance, human factors and risk mitigation strategies
Any other duties and responsibilities required by the business
To cut through the spin.
The ops managers are being deployed to have a layer of floor level management in place so they can sack all of the DMM's. But lets all play the game that they are there to 'supplement' the duties that the DMM already does.
The ops managers are being deployed to have a layer of floor level management in place so they can sack all of the DMM's. But lets all play the game that they are there to 'supplement' the duties that the DMM already does.
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I agree, the DMM's days are numbered. Except maybe in SAM, where the Foreman could be the layer they will eliminate, leaving the DMM to technical management of the checks.
To an extent, I can understand why they don't want to pay a DMM 200+ to people manage. They can pay an Ops Manager considerably less than that to sign the leave forms and fwd the odd email and he can also be "accountable" (sackable) if he doesn't tow the line for the CAMO.
To an extent, I can understand why they don't want to pay a DMM 200+ to people manage. They can pay an Ops Manager considerably less than that to sign the leave forms and fwd the odd email and he can also be "accountable" (sackable) if he doesn't tow the line for the CAMO.
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To an extent, I can understand why they don't want to pay a DMM 200+ to people manage. They can pay an Ops Manager considerably less than that to sign the leave forms and fwd the odd email and he can also be "accountable"
I can assure you that the role of DMM in dept's other than SAM goes way beyond leave and people management, and no I am not priviledged enough to be a DMM.