When is the next cull at QF Engineering?
Liars, cowards and cheats. It is inconceivable that the Avalon closure was not decided upon many months ago. Airlines plan maintenance years in advance. This was not a sudden decision.
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How did they got aircraft plan for 4 years Ava when they cant plan for 3 month,can they show plan for Bne for 4 years.How come 2 years ago there was no wide space at Ava.What a conspiracy
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The Irish man has done it again. Slowly but surely, he is closing down Qantas.
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Maintenance Planning!! (An Oxymoron!)
If you were planning on shutting down a heavy maintenance facility, wouldn't you have already chosen somewhere else to do the work?? 
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So let me get this straight. You all take advantage of the high Australian dollar, get your ID90 tickets, and head off to Asia to take full advantage of the services that the strength of your currency provides. But when your employer does that, you scream blue murder. Ever stopped to think how our domestic tourism & leisure service providers must be feeling when all of Oz is jumping on QFxx and spending their money O/S? No, didn't think so...
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Sunfish,
Absolutely.
Avalon played it's part in the demise of the Sydney and Melbourne Heavy Maintenance bases as part of the grand plan hatched by Dixon and executed by Joyce. Don't think that Brisbane is safe either, even if they do have a lot of work right now. The fact is that the trickle of work to overseas MRO's will become a torrent although it may be some years for that. They are reliant on the use of late version aircraft that will be very forgiving, unless there is an incredible act of stupidity or terrorism, with a few exceptions, like manufacturing or design faults.
Anyone see what's coming ?
Actually, I do know that when Avalon employees get an ID90 trip they are at the bottom of the list to get on at level 72 and no upgrade possible. If the partner wants to fly too, they must be accompanied by the employee. Qantas employees on the other hand, get access to all classes and don't have such restrictions applied. Much easier to have a commercial ticket in the hand.
Absolutely.
Avalon played it's part in the demise of the Sydney and Melbourne Heavy Maintenance bases as part of the grand plan hatched by Dixon and executed by Joyce. Don't think that Brisbane is safe either, even if they do have a lot of work right now. The fact is that the trickle of work to overseas MRO's will become a torrent although it may be some years for that. They are reliant on the use of late version aircraft that will be very forgiving, unless there is an incredible act of stupidity or terrorism, with a few exceptions, like manufacturing or design faults.
Anyone see what's coming ?
So let me get this straight. You all take advantage of the high Australian dollar, get your ID90 tickets, and head off to Asia to take full advantage of the services that the strength of your currency provides. But when your employer does that, you scream blue murder.
So far we have
Qantas IT - Gone
Engineering - almost gone
Reservations, call centres - almost gone
what is next.......
Cabin crew - have experimented in the past with Thai FA's. that was a learning expedition for future implementation.
The next group on the hit list will be pilots.
The aim is to make QF a virtual airline, everything will be outsourced. Why pat $25,000 a month for an Australian FO when you can get an Asian FO for $1500 a month.
Qantas IT - Gone
Engineering - almost gone
Reservations, call centres - almost gone
what is next.......
Cabin crew - have experimented in the past with Thai FA's. that was a learning expedition for future implementation.
The next group on the hit list will be pilots.
The aim is to make QF a virtual airline, everything will be outsourced. Why pat $25,000 a month for an Australian FO when you can get an Asian FO for $1500 a month.
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I would, with your indulgence, like to butt in here. It has for some 40 years now been a large part of my comfort zone, that the chunk of metal strapped to my arse was maintained by dedicated, skilled Australian engineers; who, while perhaps not giving a bugger about the clot in the cockpit, cared that their baby came home: preferably in one piece. Now, must I wonder if the cut price maintenance, dollar shifting bonus factory actually cares. Is my aircraft while being 'legally' serviceable, actually serviceable to the standard I'm used to, when I must ask the big question of the old girl. Can I trust you? when Murphy turns up, here all alone in a big night sky? I guess time will tell. Bad news guys; sorry too much, but I feel we have just lost a little more than the jobs. Sad...
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Kharon, You will also have the pleasure of your A/c not seeing a LAME on arrival into Aus as most are now covered by M.O.D (maint on demand) or if you are lucky you will see an A lic guy...... The bottom is fast approaching and its now up to the fellas flying them to demand some answers as Steve and the ground guys have tried their best! Sad day for australian Aviation.
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I've got this mate, he's of Asian descent. He's got a broader Australian accent than I have, likes a beer. Australian 'culture' is as important to him as his Chinese culture. The sad day for Australian aviation was when a non-Australian was put in charge of this outfit. He's not Australian, never will be. His culture is scabby low cost garbage.
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Farewell Avalon
Avalon was always going to close. They had decided long ago and only spoke to the unions as a token gesture. Poor Steve etc were only trying their best but simply wasting their time. Avalon will not be the last they are coming for us all. The end game is that nothing will be left, do not doubt this. They want it all gone.
Our best to ALL our colleagues there no matter who they worked for.
Our best to ALL our colleagues there no matter who they worked for.
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SIAEC and LTP is celebrating now what work Bne can't do it will go there.A330 jetstar reconfig to QF probably some done in LTP and B747 in SASCO,QF freight service and Jetconnect in New Zealand. SIAEC building more hangar to take more work from QF.Avalon hangars empty
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Avalon will not be the last they are coming for us all. The end game is that nothing will be left, do not doubt this. They want it all gone.
They are coming for us all. The ALAEA needs members to understand this. If I put out a notice seeking some help handing out flyers at train stations, it would be good to get more than four volunteers this time.
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I can see what the plan is...destroy Qantas. What I can't work out is why?
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Bagus, most AME's that actually work on the aircraft want to join the ALAEA. Pretty much the only ones that don't are reps of the AME unions. Unfortunately, those unions made sure that the ALAEA cannot legally sign up AME's. They have shafted their own members. Bloody disgrace.
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Sops,
Why ?
The Qantas board doesn't want to destroy Qantas, it simply doesn't like being told what to do or how to do it by anyone, even if it's a good idea.
It has a long term plan and will not budge from it. It even grounded the airline to show how much power it had. Unions ? Not a problem ! Play them so they think they are making headway and then hit them with a "take it or leave it" offer. Leave it and we shut down that part of the operation and outsource.
As long as this board continues to be in power making the decisions that they do, the less chance there is of meaningful profits being returned to the shareholders and the more chance of further cuts.
What I fail to understand is why the board continually gets the support of the major shareholders.
The largest Qantas shareholder—with 22.72 percent of the company—is J. P. Morgan Nominees Australia, a division of the global J. P. Morgan investment house.
The second largest is HSBC Custody Nominees with 18.91 percent. Next is National Nominees with an 18.26 percent stake. The fourth largest is Citicorp Nominees.
These four investment funds are also among the largest shareholders of Australia’s four major banks, the Commonwealth Bank, National Australia Bank, Westpac Bank and ANZ Bank, which in turn are large shareholders of the investment funds.
So these shares under the control of the investment managers wield very significant power when AGM's come around.
In recent years there has been very little gain except to John Singleton and co. on their supposed takeover bid.
Why are they being so patient? Perhaps it's the expectation that with enough time, they actually get back to making a dollar or two.
But at what cost? None of these institutional shareholders care about reductions in safety, quality, etc.
Just the bottom line, and THAT's not good either.
Steve,
They have carefully orchestrated the biggest stealth attack on their own employees in 50 years.
I don't think I can remember another Australian company doing this on the same scale as and furtively as this one.
Why ?
The Qantas board doesn't want to destroy Qantas, it simply doesn't like being told what to do or how to do it by anyone, even if it's a good idea.
It has a long term plan and will not budge from it. It even grounded the airline to show how much power it had. Unions ? Not a problem ! Play them so they think they are making headway and then hit them with a "take it or leave it" offer. Leave it and we shut down that part of the operation and outsource.
As long as this board continues to be in power making the decisions that they do, the less chance there is of meaningful profits being returned to the shareholders and the more chance of further cuts.
What I fail to understand is why the board continually gets the support of the major shareholders.
The largest Qantas shareholder—with 22.72 percent of the company—is J. P. Morgan Nominees Australia, a division of the global J. P. Morgan investment house.
The second largest is HSBC Custody Nominees with 18.91 percent. Next is National Nominees with an 18.26 percent stake. The fourth largest is Citicorp Nominees.
These four investment funds are also among the largest shareholders of Australia’s four major banks, the Commonwealth Bank, National Australia Bank, Westpac Bank and ANZ Bank, which in turn are large shareholders of the investment funds.
So these shares under the control of the investment managers wield very significant power when AGM's come around.
In recent years there has been very little gain except to John Singleton and co. on their supposed takeover bid.
Why are they being so patient? Perhaps it's the expectation that with enough time, they actually get back to making a dollar or two.
But at what cost? None of these institutional shareholders care about reductions in safety, quality, etc.
Just the bottom line, and THAT's not good either.
They are coming for us all. The ALAEA needs members to understand this.
They have carefully orchestrated the biggest stealth attack on their own employees in 50 years.
I don't think I can remember another Australian company doing this on the same scale as and furtively as this one.
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