Qantas bomb scare
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I think it's a point about the way the industry has gone. Pay peanuts for training, get monkeys. I don't know even what the 'equipment' was so not sure whether I would have dealt with it differently but the fact that crews are trained with far less in depth knowledge regarding the aeroplane and how it's put together is obvious. It doesn't make a difference on 99.9% of flights. Every now and then that lack of in depth knowledge results in things happening (or not happening) that perhaps should have happened differently. Not all of these is a prang. Sometimes it's as simple as a diversion.
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I hazard to guess that what is being said is the technical teaching from endorsements these days is so minimal that technical aircrew are incapable of making technical assessments when they may be required.
Cabin crew have no hope because the empire building losers running those sections wouldn't know their elbow from their arsehole. Then again
Cabin crew have no hope because the empire building losers running those sections wouldn't know their elbow from their arsehole. Then again
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Hownow et al.. didn't mean to take a swipe at LCC crews but its the industry generally..whether its a bus conversion or a 777...sadly, its all about need to know, not what is best practice to know. In some legacy carriers, the crew don't even need to check the gear pins FCS!! as long as the AML was annotated correctly..all is well and checked: besides the fact that some outfits install maintenance pins without feathers, or even wooden blocks..! i recall the latter was a snag a few years ago with a Virgin 340 on approach to LHR!! sadly, its all about taking the authority FURTHER away from the flight deck and allowing the decision processes to be made by non pilot staff who think they can rise to an eventual bonus tree, whilst tech crew can continue to suffer professional sluffing at the coal face to mitigate reduction in salary and T &C...The fuel nazi's as an example with more than CFP fuel, irrespective of wx alternates etc: MEL's that are superceded by ground maintenance overrides: minimal sector training for new F/O's during weather seasons that require larger bollocks...etc. Pilot managers have lost all sense of reality..mitigated partly by sound airframes and their reliability, I agree, but non the less...as I recall, in those heady early days of first type training, when engineers delivered the pre exam tech schooling..woe betide those who didn't know the TR ratings or limits to a genset before it tripped: battery ratings and thermal runaway criteria! ask that to a newbee and I would hazard a guess that many, as on my fleet would have no idea where the battery was or even what a thermal runaway actually was!!..people..its the world of CTC and where the merchant shipping world used to be, 30 years ago. Enjoy the ride!!
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Ejectx , the reports said it was a squib but where in the cabin of an -800 is a squib as we know them? I know of 2 squibs and they are in the left wheel well.
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Don't they have 2 large bottles of Isoflurane installed mid cabin, ready to deploy via Squib (and frangible disc) in case the passengers become to demanding. (ie if anyone presses a call button) 
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I could be wrong but to the best of my knowledge there are no squibs in the cabin or cockpit. Squibs being an explosive are also classed as a dangerous good and would not be carried as a spare inside the cockpit or the cabin.
The term squib I suspect has been used incorrectly to describe some other part or to desribe a situation where something does not turn out right ie "a damp squib".
The term squib I suspect has been used incorrectly to describe some other part or to desribe a situation where something does not turn out right ie "a damp squib".
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Pay peanuts for training, get monkeys
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lol, yeah, spanner man dead right.
Bit quick from the hip, not thinking.
Bit quick from the hip, not thinking.
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hownowbrowncow ALL "pilots" now are inferior. Everybody who learnt to fly in the fifties and sixties has gone. We now have EICAS readers instead of pilots.
Three or four years ago a UAL 747 returned to Syd after a couple of hours(at least) outbound because a piece of paper with the letters bob written on it was found in a toilet.FFS
Three or four years ago a UAL 747 returned to Syd after a couple of hours(at least) outbound because a piece of paper with the letters bob written on it was found in a toilet.FFS
falconx can you explain how they could have managed to NOT "...work through the situation."?
There was no SITUATION, just stupidity. If not by the pilots then certainly the management
There was no SITUATION, just stupidity. If not by the pilots then certainly the management
Paranoia!
I've said it in the past the Terrorists have done their job well, they need never step aboard another commercial Airliner again as the seed of doubt/intimidation has been sown deep, this event is the perfect Eg!
It's got nothing to with with training past or present it's got to do with ass covering to the highest degree.
Capt's can't make a sensible decision anymore they are ham strung with more rules & reg's than is imaginable!
Actually am surprised this thread is still running the Mods must be asleep at the wheel there, after all it has those untouchable 2 letters in it's subject heading !
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I've said it in the past the Terrorists have done their job well, they need never step aboard another commercial Airliner again as the seed of doubt/intimidation has been sown deep, this event is the perfect Eg!
It's got nothing to with with training past or present it's got to do with ass covering to the highest degree.
Capt's can't make a sensible decision anymore they are ham strung with more rules & reg's than is imaginable!
Actually am surprised this thread is still running the Mods must be asleep at the wheel there, after all it has those untouchable 2 letters in it's subject heading !
Wmk2
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