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Qantas Asian Expansion
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From Qantas Airways chief executive Alan Joyce has launched a renewed effort to woo back customers that will feature an aggressive Asian strategy, with plans to deploy aircraft from Australian routes to the region fitted out with an upgraded international business class, according to The Australian Financial Review.
The plan will first involve re-timing flights to Asia and increasing capacity to cities in the region such as Singapore and Hong Kong.
The airline plans to later introduce additional frequencies throughout the region, with a focus on business hubs, though this leg of the plan remains under discussion.
The airline will discuss its strategy at a meeting of the Qantas board on Thursday, the AFR added.
The renewed focus on Asia follows Mr Joyce's earlier plan to establish a premium subsidiary airline based in Singapore or Kuala Lumpur.
Mr Joyce has been under pressure to reinvigorate the airline as it faces criticism from a group of activist shareholders, including former chief executive Geoff Dixon and venture capitalist Mark Carnegie, who are seeking support for a rival management agenda.
Mr Joyce is betting that the new strategy will help Qantas stem the loss of passengers to Asian airlines.
Sounds very very positive.
From Qantas Airways chief executive Alan Joyce has launched a renewed effort to woo back customers that will feature an aggressive Asian strategy, with plans to deploy aircraft from Australian routes to the region fitted out with an upgraded international business class, according to The Australian Financial Review.
The plan will first involve re-timing flights to Asia and increasing capacity to cities in the region such as Singapore and Hong Kong.
The airline plans to later introduce additional frequencies throughout the region, with a focus on business hubs, though this leg of the plan remains under discussion.
The airline will discuss its strategy at a meeting of the Qantas board on Thursday, the AFR added.
The renewed focus on Asia follows Mr Joyce's earlier plan to establish a premium subsidiary airline based in Singapore or Kuala Lumpur.
Mr Joyce has been under pressure to reinvigorate the airline as it faces criticism from a group of activist shareholders, including former chief executive Geoff Dixon and venture capitalist Mark Carnegie, who are seeking support for a rival management agenda.
Mr Joyce is betting that the new strategy will help Qantas stem the loss of passengers to Asian airlines.
Sounds very very positive.
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QF to singapore/hongkong
Scumstar Asia/Hong Kong from there........
Id like to be positive but after so many years of being beaten down...its hard....
heres hoping anyway...
Scumstar Asia/Hong Kong from there........
Id like to be positive but after so many years of being beaten down...its hard....
heres hoping anyway...
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And I thought it was decided that the onestar lcc model was the only way ahead.
IMHO the board has screwed it at every turn:
* turned their backs on the premium market and given VB the leg up they needed to break out of the LCC model,
* grounded the fleet, would have helped JB KPI's along nicely and given VB another leg up,
* put onestar on many many many domestic and international routes that were serviced by mainline / international, in doing so have pissed off the traveling public and given VB and Tiger yet another leg up.
You just couldn't make a joke that funny.
IMHO the board has screwed it at every turn:
* turned their backs on the premium market and given VB the leg up they needed to break out of the LCC model,
* grounded the fleet, would have helped JB KPI's along nicely and given VB another leg up,
* put onestar on many many many domestic and international routes that were serviced by mainline / international, in doing so have pissed off the traveling public and given VB and Tiger yet another leg up.
You just couldn't make a joke that funny.
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I think Sandilands is right to look at the bigger pitcha and what it means in terms of the Qantas Emirates thing. I didn't realise Qantas was going to use Emirates flights as part of its 'development' of Asia services. Fark me.
Full article here:
Qantas Asia ambitions raise difficult strategic questions | Plane Talking
The one question that Qantas probably doesn’t want asked about its proposed Emirates partnership is whether it actually means it gets more passengers for its own international services?
Because the answer is ‘No.’
It is also a question that leaps off the screen on the AFR this morning about how Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has a plan B in Asia, once the fine print is absorbed.
There is nothing in the proposed Qantas-Emirates partnership which would induce the rapidly growing loyal cadre of customers for Emirates flights to swop to Qantas flights.
This is because Qantas is in effect transferring to Emirates the risks and rewards of serving the Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland markets to all of Europe, and via its Dubai hub, those dozens of ‘funny places’ all over central Asia and a large part of Africa that Qantas couldn’t even locate on an Atlas before it discovered that the world was rapidly changing, and creating vast new markets which would also be relevant to Australian business and Australian tourism.
Because the answer is ‘No.’
It is also a question that leaps off the screen on the AFR this morning about how Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has a plan B in Asia, once the fine print is absorbed.
There is nothing in the proposed Qantas-Emirates partnership which would induce the rapidly growing loyal cadre of customers for Emirates flights to swop to Qantas flights.
This is because Qantas is in effect transferring to Emirates the risks and rewards of serving the Western Australia, South Australia and Queensland markets to all of Europe, and via its Dubai hub, those dozens of ‘funny places’ all over central Asia and a large part of Africa that Qantas couldn’t even locate on an Atlas before it discovered that the world was rapidly changing, and creating vast new markets which would also be relevant to Australian business and Australian tourism.
Qantas Asia ambitions raise difficult strategic questions | Plane Talking
FAIL Alan, FAIL!!
There is no way on gods green earth that I will submit myself or my family to being shoe horned into an aeroplane with a hundred and something half pissed, burping, farting, unwashed bogans, aaaaaalllllll the way to Honkers or Singapore when there is another option!
Hong Kong = Cathay
Singapore = Singapore Airlines
The End
P.S. of course you could choose to believe that it won't be Brown* doing the flights.
There is no way on gods green earth that I will submit myself or my family to being shoe horned into an aeroplane with a hundred and something half pissed, burping, farting, unwashed bogans, aaaaaalllllll the way to Honkers or Singapore when there is another option!
Hong Kong = Cathay
Singapore = Singapore Airlines
The End
P.S. of course you could choose to believe that it won't be Brown* doing the flights.
From Qantas Airways chief executive Alan Joyce has launched a renewed effort to woo back customers that will feature an aggressive Asian strategy, with plans to deploy aircraft from Australian routes to the region fitted out with an upgraded international business class, according to The Australian Financial Review.
Back in June, he announced that there was to be a significant increase in the number of domestic flights - both Qantas and Jetstar. In reality, he increased Jetstar flights and, to force passengers onto this extra capacity, cut a number of QF mainline services on weekends - what was previously hourly services all day SYD-BNE, BNE-MEL etc became 2 hourly through the middle of the day despite the services always having high load factors. He has also brought forward the retirement of the RR B763's replacing them with smaller capacity B738's. Overall, a significant reduction in seats despite announcing to the press that there would be an increase for mainline as well as Jetstar.
The lengthy history of his lies means that he can't be trusted irrespective of what "positive news" he announces.
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Same problem as before, located at the end of the line with no connecting market. Want to fly Perth - Delhi ? go SQ with full service economy or business class all the way. Going somewhere in China or Northern Asia ? Fly CX via Hong Kong
Without a hub, QF can only make money flying between some major cities. Hub operators such as EK, SQ and CX can make money from major to major, major to minor and minor to minor cities.
SQ can make money from passengers flying Adelaide to Phuket by combining them with passengers going onto and originating from other places, without an en-route transfer point, QF can't.
Without a hub, QF can only make money flying between some major cities. Hub operators such as EK, SQ and CX can make money from major to major, major to minor and minor to minor cities.
SQ can make money from passengers flying Adelaide to Phuket by combining them with passengers going onto and originating from other places, without an en-route transfer point, QF can't.
"...shoe horned into an aeroplane with a hundred and something half pissed, burping, farting, unwashed bogans..."
And
"Hong Kong = Cathay Singapore = Singapore Airlines"
I had to giggle at this.
Do you think these sorts of people DONT travel with SQ or CX?
They do, they just don't look like us and their farts smell different.
And
"Hong Kong = Cathay Singapore = Singapore Airlines"
I had to giggle at this.
Do you think these sorts of people DONT travel with SQ or CX?
They do, they just don't look like us and their farts smell different.
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HA! Asian expansion? Blah blah all talk no action as usual.
Yeah heres a good plan lets tell all the competition our tactics before anything is actually implemented.
This is a ploy to discract everyone from the real issues, lies and corruption.
Yeah heres a good plan lets tell all the competition our tactics before anything is actually implemented.
This is a ploy to discract everyone from the real issues, lies and corruption.
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Qantas A320's on order = 139 going to..... Jetstar
Qantas 787 on order = 15 going to..... Jetstar
Qantas's firm widebody on order = 0 going to.....Qantas
There's your company direction.
Qantas 787 on order = 15 going to..... Jetstar
Qantas's firm widebody on order = 0 going to.....Qantas
There's your company direction.
The ACCC will be handing down its finding in relation to the proposed QF-EK tie up next week. Rod Sims' comments in the AFR may have the board and EXCO concerned that things may not go the way they wish.
If that is the case, the list of failures continues to grow.
* Jetstar Pacific - debacle
* Red Q - stillborn
* Jetstar Hong Kong - announced in March yet still pending regulatory approvals which will not be rushed by the Chinese government
* QF-EK alliance - assuming it is not given the tick
* lack of dividend
* share price down by almost 80% from its post flight high.
It is interesting that this comes back into the news this week in the context of possible events next week. Trying to pull a last minute rabbit from the hat? Surely, the board's and Alan Joyce's positions will become completely untenable should the EK alliance not be approved given the list of ongoing failures.
If that is the case, the list of failures continues to grow.
* Jetstar Pacific - debacle
* Red Q - stillborn
* Jetstar Hong Kong - announced in March yet still pending regulatory approvals which will not be rushed by the Chinese government
* QF-EK alliance - assuming it is not given the tick
* lack of dividend
* share price down by almost 80% from its post flight high.
It is interesting that this comes back into the news this week in the context of possible events next week. Trying to pull a last minute rabbit from the hat? Surely, the board's and Alan Joyce's positions will become completely untenable should the EK alliance not be approved given the list of ongoing failures.
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Interesting comments from Rob Fyfe.
Outgoing Air NZ chief rules out Qantas
Doesn't sound like he's totally convinced about the accuracy of Qantas' reporting standards either.
Why is this blatantly obvious to everyone except Qantas management?
Outgoing Air NZ chief rules out Qantas
"I think inevitably Qantas needed to form some type of alliance to address the substantial losses that it keeps telling us it's making in the long-haul arena," Fyfe says.
"But I was surprised that the solution was to do a deal with Emirates. On the surface of that, it looks like a very good deal for Emirates; I'm not exactly clear if it's a good deal for Qantas."
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I do wonder who QF will be carrying in all those A330s and 744s to SIN. the SYD flight arrives at 1600, whereas the MEL BNE and ADL flights arrive at 1900 and 2100 respectively.
They basically connect to no where. The only Jetstar Asia flights which connect seamlessly in both directions are those to KUL and HKT. So the 744s from BNE and MEL will be connecting pax to KUL and HKT????
They basically connect to no where. The only Jetstar Asia flights which connect seamlessly in both directions are those to KUL and HKT. So the 744s from BNE and MEL will be connecting pax to KUL and HKT????
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From the coalface, the rat has screwed the puppy.
The alliance with EK will look pretty, but the SLF lose their Asia stopover, which is a preferred option any day over DXB. Nothing wrong with DXB but it is generally stinking hot and beyond a lot of comfort zones.
Malaysia is the major winner directly from the pull off from Asia - Europe. How much sniggering is going on there in Board Room having joined Oneworld. Get your QF points and your Asian stopover with good fares, service and dirt cheap addons to such ugly destinations as Penang, Langkawi etc.
And how is QF going to go driving code shares ex Dubai? There needs to be a major rethink in yield management. The Pacific is a case in point. AA selling trans Pacific fares on QF metal at a significantly cheaper cost than the owner of the metal.
Block outs on the AA internal code shares with QF claiming that the owning carrier controls the QF yield where the opposite is obviously not the case on the longhaul.
Interesting phase we are entering, but not one we should be looking forward to in my opinion.
The turd may really be about to hit the turbine and the field of effect will be far reaching.
I so hope I am wrong.
Best all
EWL
The alliance with EK will look pretty, but the SLF lose their Asia stopover, which is a preferred option any day over DXB. Nothing wrong with DXB but it is generally stinking hot and beyond a lot of comfort zones.
Malaysia is the major winner directly from the pull off from Asia - Europe. How much sniggering is going on there in Board Room having joined Oneworld. Get your QF points and your Asian stopover with good fares, service and dirt cheap addons to such ugly destinations as Penang, Langkawi etc.
And how is QF going to go driving code shares ex Dubai? There needs to be a major rethink in yield management. The Pacific is a case in point. AA selling trans Pacific fares on QF metal at a significantly cheaper cost than the owner of the metal.
Block outs on the AA internal code shares with QF claiming that the owning carrier controls the QF yield where the opposite is obviously not the case on the longhaul.
Interesting phase we are entering, but not one we should be looking forward to in my opinion.
The turd may really be about to hit the turbine and the field of effect will be far reaching.
I so hope I am wrong.
Best all
EWL
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Tough crowd...
Singapore Airlines to square off against Qantas
Qantas Airways Ltd's plans to launch a renewed Asian strategy could face stiff competition from a rejuvenated Singapore Airlines, which plans to offer full-service customers new cabins and lounges and may expand its relationship with Virgin Australia, according to The Australian.
Although Qantas will next month deliver details on its Asian strategy, Singapore Airlines sees an opportunity to capitalise on Qantas' decision to switch its European stopover from Singapore to Dubai.
“I think Australia is a growing market,” Singapore Airlines chief executive Goh Choon Phong said, according to The Australian.
“We certainly want to grow further.”
SIA is using subsidiary SilkAir to bulk-up its intra-Asia full-service network and hopes to develop its focus on the lower-cost segment through long-haul unit Scoot and their stake in Tiger Airways.
The Singaporean airline held 9.4 per cent of the international market to and from Australia in September, which represented the second-highest figure, behind Qantas, The Australian reported.
Singapore Airlines to square off against Qantas
Qantas Airways Ltd's plans to launch a renewed Asian strategy could face stiff competition from a rejuvenated Singapore Airlines, which plans to offer full-service customers new cabins and lounges and may expand its relationship with Virgin Australia, according to The Australian.
Although Qantas will next month deliver details on its Asian strategy, Singapore Airlines sees an opportunity to capitalise on Qantas' decision to switch its European stopover from Singapore to Dubai.
“I think Australia is a growing market,” Singapore Airlines chief executive Goh Choon Phong said, according to The Australian.
“We certainly want to grow further.”
SIA is using subsidiary SilkAir to bulk-up its intra-Asia full-service network and hopes to develop its focus on the lower-cost segment through long-haul unit Scoot and their stake in Tiger Airways.
The Singaporean airline held 9.4 per cent of the international market to and from Australia in September, which represented the second-highest figure, behind Qantas, The Australian reported.