A319s for Qlink?
Would not want to be leaving Qlink just yet that's for sure. Just incase.
I sincerely hope the long serving,loyal and generally top crew on the tprops do get a chance at jets, however history would suggest otherwise. Just promise you won't hold your breath waiting or you will do yourself an injury. Personally I believe the grass is much greener elsewhere.
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The interesting part here is that Ben may be getting his info from some sources who have sourced it from PPRUNE. Then he writes about it and PPRUNE lights up because Ben's said that the link is getting the A319. A self propagating and fulfilling rumour?
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Ben is at it again.
Airbus A319 with sharklets makes a timely first flight | Plane Talking
But that could change if the signs that Qantaslink is moving to add a new jet to its lineup in addition to Boeing 717s materialises in the form of A319s, or the A319 NEOs
Apart from the fact that the A319 is a longer range variant of the A320.
Why not just get 320's? Where are QLink gonna go with 3700nm range and a smaller aeroplane??
PS If they DO get jets - the C-Series would make sense.
Why not just get 320's? Where are QLink gonna go with 3700nm range and a smaller aeroplane??
PS If they DO get jets - the C-Series would make sense.
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Sadly its looking more and more likely that Qantas or Qantaslink will be getting the A319's
With Qantas's massive order for Airbus's and the cancellation of the 'asia' plans Qantas has got to put those aircraft to good use!
Jetstar cant swallow that growth... Got to end up somewhere!
With Qantas's massive order for Airbus's and the cancellation of the 'asia' plans Qantas has got to put those aircraft to good use!
Jetstar cant swallow that growth... Got to end up somewhere!
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The range of the A319 is perfect for FIFO ops from the East Coast to Northern WA.
Fact of the matter is that Qantas put in a massive order for A320's recently, these were all convertible to A321's and A319's. A good proportion of them were earmarked to go to the premium carrier that Qantas at the time was going to set up in Asia. Now that venture is dead in the water, Jetstar has already got the number of new aircraft on order that are required for the expansion plans.
Qantas may as well deploy the remainder in Australia. Talk of the C-series being a better fit is largely irrelevant due to the orders already being placed. The A319 is a top machine and perfect for domestic ops. Easyjet up until 2 - 3 years ago only had the A319 as the A320 didn't make commercial sense.
Why not deploy them to Qantaslink, they can be sold to the airline as the shiny new jet for the crew to gain experience in return for accepting a contract below Qantas mainline and even possibly below the Jetstar EBA. The pilot group will accept it as we come over all 'giddy' when offered a new type on the licence, long term thinking doesn't come into it. Before we know it we will have a new 'bottom' level for Jet pilots in Australia and Qantas can continue to re-build its domestic premium network at a much lower cost base.
Qantas may as well deploy the remainder in Australia. Talk of the C-series being a better fit is largely irrelevant due to the orders already being placed. The A319 is a top machine and perfect for domestic ops. Easyjet up until 2 - 3 years ago only had the A319 as the A320 didn't make commercial sense.
Why not deploy them to Qantaslink, they can be sold to the airline as the shiny new jet for the crew to gain experience in return for accepting a contract below Qantas mainline and even possibly below the Jetstar EBA. The pilot group will accept it as we come over all 'giddy' when offered a new type on the licence, long term thinking doesn't come into it. Before we know it we will have a new 'bottom' level for Jet pilots in Australia and Qantas can continue to re-build its domestic premium network at a much lower cost base.
Anyone who believes that airlines will make a commercial decision of this kind with any regard to what the pilots think or want is delusional.
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Anyone who believes that airlines will make a commercial decision of this kind with any regard to what the pilots think or want is delusional.
Virgin Tiger just announced their A320s will operate between Sydney and Coffs Harbour to take on the 'link. Shoeless passengers of Coffs Harbour rejoice!
Anyone who believes that airlines will make a commercial decision of this kind with any regard to what the pilots think or want is delusional.
Commercial decisions are never straight-forward and are influenced by many factors such as politics and "loss of face". Selection of the A319 over the C series may look good in the short term but would look poor as fuel prices increase over the service life of the aircraft.
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Also the future of the C series is nowhere near being assured yet, and delivery times are some considerable distance away. Very few local operators are going to invest in what may turn out to be an orphan, or at the very least, the Fokker of its day.
Management view pilots in the same way as FUEL.
A somewhat costly and obstructive yet absolutely necessary expense.
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They do think, however, "If we get jets and let the QANTASLINK guys fly them under their existing EA they'll jump at the chance to get their hands on a jet and they'll willingly undercut their colleagues in Mainline by 30-40% allowing us to set a new low benchmark in narrow body pilot salaries in Australia further destroying QANTAS' legacy conditions and improving our own KPIs and bonuses.
We'll rename QANTASLINK to plain old QANTAS, remove mainline flights from trunk routes, including the golden triangle, citing increased competitive pressures from Virgin, Jetstar and Tiger. We'll stick business class seats in the aeroplanes and our plan to decimate the terms and conditions of QANTAS pilots will be complete.".
Management know pilots want jet commands and many will sell their own grandmother to get one. I guarantee that will influence the decisions management take.
Or am I being too cynical?
We'll rename QANTASLINK to plain old QANTAS, remove mainline flights from trunk routes, including the golden triangle, citing increased competitive pressures from Virgin, Jetstar and Tiger. We'll stick business class seats in the aeroplanes and our plan to decimate the terms and conditions of QANTAS pilots will be complete.".
Management know pilots want jet commands and many will sell their own grandmother to get one. I guarantee that will influence the decisions management take.
Or am I being too cynical?
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What rates does Skywest (given the Virgin takeover) pay on its single A320, and how does that compare to Qantas or QantasLink.
Because that will be the competition for the FIFO jobs.
Because that will be the competition for the FIFO jobs.