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A319s for Qlink?

Old 22nd Nov 2012, 20:53
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A319s for Qlink?

From Plane Talking.


In other developments, Qantas is widely expected to announce an order for single aisle Airbus A319s for its Qantaslink regional brand in the near future, to the apprehension of pilots engaged by its full service domestic division.*

Qantas has a policy of not commenting on fleet speculation. But it does appear to be gearing up for more and newer jets in its Qantaslink operation, which given the growth of flights in that part of its domestic network, could reasonably be seen as inevitable.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 21:55
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Isn't this what killed Ansett.... A million different fleet types? (And no maintenance... Which QF is well on its way to achieving)
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 22:15
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No blu,
The land of the long white cloud and greed killed ansett.
Makes sense to consolidate on heavily trafficked regional routes to put a jet on it.
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Old 22nd Nov 2012, 22:40
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A deal done to negate losing heaps of cash for all those A320 options that may not now be needed??

Perhaps the order has just been changed to A319 instead.

More to follow.....for sure

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The A319 is not as fuel efficient as the C Series so if QF does order them, it's probably because they need to reallocate some of the massive A320 order to avoid penalty payments. So again, Kelpie seems to be on the money.

PS Mustangranch, it appears that your anger at Air NZ causes you to ignore the years of raping & pillaging that News Corp carried out at Ansett prior to Air NZ buying into Ansett. They are guilty of not doing proper "Due Diligence" because if they had, they would have discovered just how serious a basket case Ansett had become at the hands of News Corp (who paid 100% of the CEO's salary).
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This is an absolute certainty. Only a matter of time now.
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 00:34
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I wonder how long it will be before AIPA seek some type of MOU with the regionals.

I think they may be disappointed with the response.
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According to Australian Business Traveller on twitter, there's an "announcement about Domestic services" due this weekend at the unveiling of the latest QF A330.
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 01:42
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I would hate to say it, whilst I said that QantasLink was getting jets, perhaps the C-Series, I was close to the money! A319's will do! And lets hope its a free endorsement!

You don't bring in a management team with a 'no bshite' attitude like this one, without other motives. They 'set up' the original operations at Jetstar around 2004, and many of you have discredited them and thought, here comes another bunch of Qantas managers!



For those who questioned me, and said they will wait till they piss on the tyres, well, wait! Sunstate and Eastern will fly these! If you don't believe me, quit!
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 02:05
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I wouldn't write my victory speech just yet 32. Qantaslink has had jets for some years now. It is very possible that sunstate/eastern will operate these rumored Airbus seeing as all of a sudden AIPA are keen to bring Qlink guys into "their" seniority.
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32Mega,

I couldn't agree with you more, interesting even some of the most negative within the Regionals are now starting to believe it is going to happen.

I think people will be surprised at just how quickly as well.

These people have come here with a 2 year agenda, 6 months of that agenda has already gone, thats the time frame you are looking at if not sooner.
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Some of you guys don't get it - all AIPA is trying to do is to develop unity in the pilot profession so that we are all treated fairly with reasonable terms and conditions as well as fair career progression. They are not trying to keep all the jobs in mainline or to stop regional pilots from flying jets - they are simply trying to minimise the QF management's "Divide & Conquer" tactics. We (the pilot group) do not need each other undercutting t's & c's to accelerate career progression at the expense of others.
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GB,

I agree. Formally a member of AIPA and AFAP at one time, I don't think there is a 'stab them in the back' attitude from either side.

We are meant to be as one and Virgin are on that path. Why isn't the Qantas Group pilots! It is actually a pathetic and discusting thing in our industry that we are not and when we think that one side will benefit over another, it is really dissapointing.

One thing that I had said to me 2 years ago by a Qantas Cadet (bumped into him in Singapore), now at Qantas logging P3 time was, QantasLink is just 'training ground' for Qantas pilots.

Please, shoot me! It is GA or the airforce that is a good learning envirnment, not Qlink. Qlink has been a mind field of changing SOP's for many years. I do hope that this new management throw out the FCOM and start again. They will!

We have a great company here, and as one who has been burnt by the big Q, in regards to career progression, I would say these cadets on the bottem end of the list at Qantas may want group seniority that is great. It is even better for those who worked their butts off in entry into this industry from other avenues that should benefit the most, as they will appreciate it more!

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Well where were AIPA when Qantas purchased Australian Airlines, they were able to come to a Y arrangement with the seniority list then without to much trouble, they could have just as easily pushed for a W arrangement to include the Regionals but they didn't.

You can't now come back and say lets forget about the past and start again, just because the tide is starting to turn a different way.
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This is about the next 30 year view, not that last 15-20 years of bullshit! This is why we are where we are now!

Yes, we all have our motives (does '89 ring a bell) Why do pilots do call ins? We are selfish by nature! It is human nature. Doesn't matter what industry!

The Aipa approach now, why? and u say get stuffed!

I agree as well due to that fact I have been dicked around, but not by AIPA!

But by poor management practices at Qantas than by fellow pilots!

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Sorry, 32 its all very well to say that is the past, correct. Would AIPA be trying to do anything for the regionals now unless it was going to benefit them not likely.
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Shiny Jet Syndrome has about a 12 month use-by-date.
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Old 23rd Nov 2012, 03:00
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Teggun,

of course it may benefit them,

but maybe we will be find benefits down the track also. Think big! I can't believe how rooted this industry is. It is not Aus either.

Was overseas when pilots went on strike due to a FO being kicked of flight deck due to captain upset. Guess what, both unions told each pilot sides to get stuffed and went on strike. Way to root up my holiday..almost. On full fare paying tickets as well!

Perhaps if Aipa did move into regional this could happen? hmm. food for thought!
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Mainline guys can apply off the street for any positions available at Qlink and cross their fingers Qantas does not control the numbers, if they don't want you to move across then it won't happen .
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Where's this leave Cobham. Could these replace the Boeing 717
which Qantas are searching for more for East Coast ops for
new BNE base set up ?
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