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Sorry Kremin I never realised 12345 was a QF company frequency. And I never realised "THE" put so much context to a handle. But when I think about it, it is a bit like putting THE in "the queen". Thanks for putting me straight. I am sure all the other mortals will also appreciate the guidance.
Err what about the other areas, both side of the Pac. and on the occassional VHF with HNL?
Sorry about the thread drift, fellow mortals.
SS
Err what about the other areas, both side of the Pac. and on the occassional VHF with HNL?
Sorry about the thread drift, fellow mortals.
SS
Nunc est bibendum
Err what about the other areas, both side of the Pac. and on the occassional VHF with HNL?
Still, you guys tell yourselves whatever it is you need to in order to feel good/ superior/ etc.
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Similarly, EK have just announced a tie-up with EasyJet. Why? Because from all around the globe you can get to many destinations in Europe on EK – but you can’t get say fly FCO-LHR-FRA for multiple business meetings with EK alone. They have tied with one of the largest inter-Europe airlines that operates to both business and leisure destinations. Chuck in the frequent flyer programs etc and bingo – trip sold as a package with EK (no more pesky travel agents to book a multiple destination trip).
http://logisticsweek.com/logistics-2...rline-partner/
Also they have flagged a tie-up with Jetstar Asia... EK can get you on holidays from Europe to BKK/SIN etc, but if you want to tour Asia on your holidays just with EK they can’t do it.. When EK ties up with Jetstar .. travelling with a seamless package/ frequent flyer points etc, touring Asia makes an attractive buy with EK.
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EK are being smart, they are strategically tying in all the ‘intra’ destinations within certain regions, connections they couldn’t possibly make themselves,
http://logisticsweek.com/logistics-2...rline-partner/
Also they have flagged a tie-up with Jetstar Asia... EK can get you on holidays from Europe to BKK/SIN etc, but if you want to tour Asia on your holidays just with EK they can’t do it.. When EK ties up with Jetstar .. travelling with a seamless package/ frequent flyer points etc, touring Asia makes an attractive buy with EK.
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EK are being smart, they are strategically tying in all the ‘intra’ destinations within certain regions, connections they couldn’t possibly make themselves,
After reading it, I would like to offer this link (below) in addition to your post, which crossed my mind .. note the changing of the guard at Q legal as well..
there seems to be "a lot going on" in the respective airline camps "brinkmanship departments."
and this is a big one for the ACCC, probably the biggest they will have for a while, ... airline "big change" ones generally turn out to be high profile, ..setting "in stone" the course for the next ten years.. think about it, who would of thought this time last year Tiger would be still around? I didn't thinks so. Now JB's at the helm.
The "outcomes" (to nick a word from Canberra,) "game changing," everyone gets in on the act. and many Australians will be involved.. other words, some big decisions coming up... the implications? who knows anymore..?
Virgin ‘naive’ to dispute our Emirates relationship: Qantas - Airline News - etravelblackboard.comVirgin ‘naive’ to dispute our Emirates relationship: Qantas
Wednesday, 7 November 2012 Qantas says Virgin Australia’s “thinly veiled” attempts at having the carrier’s ten-year alliance with Emirates rejected would not only hurt Qantas but reduce competition on international routes.
In a submission to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC), the Australian flag carrier’s outgoing general counsel Brett Johnson argued Virgin was “naive and wrong” to think the airline could “continue to expand internationally” with or without the Emirates relationship, The Australian Financial Review reported.
Mr Johnson explained a lack of a midway partner would result in more cuts between London and Europe, effectively reducing competition.
“Virgin continues with its thinly veiled attempt to have the applications rejected,” he said.
“This is a clear attempt to minimise Qantas International's competitive position so the combined, formidable Virgin/Singapore Airlines/ Etihad/ Air NZ alliance will not need to respond as vigorously as it would if the [alliance] is authorised.”
Although still awaiting approval, the proposed alliance with Emirates is expected to commence from 31 March next year, and will replace Qantas’ 17-year joint business agreement with British Airways.
Wednesday, 7 November 2012 Qantas says Virgin Australia’s “thinly veiled” attempts at having the carrier’s ten-year alliance with Emirates rejected would not only hurt Qantas but reduce competition on international routes.
In a submission to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC), the Australian flag carrier’s outgoing general counsel Brett Johnson argued Virgin was “naive and wrong” to think the airline could “continue to expand internationally” with or without the Emirates relationship, The Australian Financial Review reported.
Mr Johnson explained a lack of a midway partner would result in more cuts between London and Europe, effectively reducing competition.
“Virgin continues with its thinly veiled attempt to have the applications rejected,” he said.
“This is a clear attempt to minimise Qantas International's competitive position so the combined, formidable Virgin/Singapore Airlines/ Etihad/ Air NZ alliance will not need to respond as vigorously as it would if the [alliance] is authorised.”
Although still awaiting approval, the proposed alliance with Emirates is expected to commence from 31 March next year, and will replace Qantas’ 17-year joint business agreement with British Airways.
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Ha. Gold! Remind me who it was that opposed Virgin's proposal with Delta, Singapore and Etihad. What did QF think JB would do? Give them a free kick? These clowns don't think that JB will put the boots in wherever he can? Whatever QF management are smoking, I'll have some.
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SS, never heard it on ATC. Seriously, with say four departures out of the US in close proximity, how would you refer to your own flight when talking to people from the same company?
"hello Qantas 16 this is Qantas 8 speaking blah blah blah..?."
Or "hello this is the 8 blah blah blah..."
I know which is easier. They are not talking to other airlines in this case so there is no need to identify the airline. Have you heard them speaking to Delta or United and referring to themselves as "the 8"? I very much doubt it.
This was brought up a few years ago as a supposed example of the sky god syndrome. It is nothing of the sort. It is short hand.
QF pilots copped it with the external lighting. The company changed the SOPS and somehow this was perceived as arrogance. Years ago the company also told us to stop flashing the lights when passing other traffic because it was blowing bulbs.... Arrogance was reported again. It was just pilots doing their jobs.
Haven't you got other things to worry about?
"hello Qantas 16 this is Qantas 8 speaking blah blah blah..?."
Or "hello this is the 8 blah blah blah..."
I know which is easier. They are not talking to other airlines in this case so there is no need to identify the airline. Have you heard them speaking to Delta or United and referring to themselves as "the 8"? I very much doubt it.
This was brought up a few years ago as a supposed example of the sky god syndrome. It is nothing of the sort. It is short hand.
QF pilots copped it with the external lighting. The company changed the SOPS and somehow this was perceived as arrogance. Years ago the company also told us to stop flashing the lights when passing other traffic because it was blowing bulbs.... Arrogance was reported again. It was just pilots doing their jobs.
Haven't you got other things to worry about?
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Agree with Kremin, it's not Skygod syndrome.
Now not at all meaning to demean the profession, however...
"What bus do you take to get to the city?" "I take the 386".
I have loads of friends who are not pilots but fly frequently; some of them, I know they have to use certain airlines due company policy so if they are coming into my city, they will simply say "I'm arriving on the nnn" or perhaps "... on the 7.30 [arrival]". I know they're Qantas flights, they don't need to say it.
To borrow from another profession involving movable things: "I am PWO of HMAS Sydney" might become "I am PWO of the Sydney" when spoken to a more familiar audience.
Now, the troll has been fed, had its fun and will now duly crawl back under its rock with a pat on the head, let us people get back to discussion about Emirates and Qantas.
Now not at all meaning to demean the profession, however...
"What bus do you take to get to the city?" "I take the 386".
I have loads of friends who are not pilots but fly frequently; some of them, I know they have to use certain airlines due company policy so if they are coming into my city, they will simply say "I'm arriving on the nnn" or perhaps "... on the 7.30 [arrival]". I know they're Qantas flights, they don't need to say it.
To borrow from another profession involving movable things: "I am PWO of HMAS Sydney" might become "I am PWO of the Sydney" when spoken to a more familiar audience.
Now, the troll has been fed, had its fun and will now duly crawl back under its rock with a pat on the head, let us people get back to discussion about Emirates and Qantas.
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I have never heard QF pilots referring to themselves as "the" nor abusing guard. I am going to have a hard time not referring to my Aus flights this month as "this is The Emirates" but if anyone does hear it, feel free to ring up on 121.5 for a chat 
With respect to the QF/EK strategic partnership, you could write a ten page list on the benefits, but primarily, it revolves around providing more efficient and greater market reach for both airlines via their already established networks/ and it is a threat response to the SQ/DJ/NZ/EY et. al tie up.
Why do those who spend there lives eternally in suspicion and focussing on what is wrong, always tend to be the ones that miss opportunities? If the partnership is implemented and managed effectively, it could be the catalyst for growth and strong returns for both airlines, and it is certainly wise to get these structures in place prior to the recovery of the Eurozone economies.
With respect to the QF/EK strategic partnership, you could write a ten page list on the benefits, but primarily, it revolves around providing more efficient and greater market reach for both airlines via their already established networks/ and it is a threat response to the SQ/DJ/NZ/EY et. al tie up.
Why do those who spend there lives eternally in suspicion and focussing on what is wrong, always tend to be the ones that miss opportunities? If the partnership is implemented and managed effectively, it could be the catalyst for growth and strong returns for both airlines, and it is certainly wise to get these structures in place prior to the recovery of the Eurozone economies.
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scanistralian, maybe you've missed the point about how good the Emirates deal is.
Look at this story that AusBiz Traveller and Ben jumped on.
Emirates plans Perth Airbus A380 flights from mid-2013 - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller
Emirates will fly Perth A380s from mid 2013 | Plane Talking
They are using it to replace 777s with A380s to fit in all the customers they get from Qantas in Perth. What's the bet they do it all over the country.
What was Qantas is being hung out to dry by Dubai. There is nothing in it for Qantas folk except extermination.
Look at this story that AusBiz Traveller and Ben jumped on.
Emirates plans Perth Airbus A380 flights from mid-2013 - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller
The reason that Emirates can start using A380s on the Perth run from the middle of next year (when an A380 capable gate becomes available at the airport) is that it can top them up with the remnants of the market that Qantas has abandoned.
It is the same process that will see all current or announced Emirates flights from Australia to SE Asia, New Zealand, and Dubai, become A380 services within the next 10 years, by which time an even larger version of the biggest airliner in service is likely to be entering its fleet.
What is happening at Perth is a very good example of what happens when a well run carrier with geographical and financial advantages does a deal, on its own terms, with a poorly run airline full of excuses for not even trying to be the national flag carrier the Qantas Sale Act of 1992 expected it to be.
It is the same process that will see all current or announced Emirates flights from Australia to SE Asia, New Zealand, and Dubai, become A380 services within the next 10 years, by which time an even larger version of the biggest airliner in service is likely to be entering its fleet.
What is happening at Perth is a very good example of what happens when a well run carrier with geographical and financial advantages does a deal, on its own terms, with a poorly run airline full of excuses for not even trying to be the national flag carrier the Qantas Sale Act of 1992 expected it to be.
They are using it to replace 777s with A380s to fit in all the customers they get from Qantas in Perth. What's the bet they do it all over the country.
What was Qantas is being hung out to dry by Dubai. There is nothing in it for Qantas folk except extermination.
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scanistralian, maybe you've missed the point about how good the Emirates deal is.
The A380 was always planned to fly to Perth, with or without the QF deal, trust me I fly the EK420 on a regular basis, and the 777-300ER just doesn't have the capacity to service the route. Sure the QF tie up will help boost passenger numbers, but it was a long time coming before this deal was finalized.
If you think it is an entirely one sided affair, then let it be so. Far be it from me to challenge what is presented to you in the press just because it validates what you feel is correct. Have you ever asked yourself the questions;
1) Where would QF long haul Europe ops be headed if it wasn't for this tie up? And;
2) Could this partnership potentially contribute to the growth of QF long haul in the future?
I would however be chasing conspiracies if all my eggs were in the EY/DJ/NZ/SQ basket...
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