Jetstar CEO Interview
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The first thing that this woman has to take a serious look at, is the cartel running flight operations. The whole place needs a wide broom through it.
Yet another very experienced wide body Capt has resigned due to the utter appalling graft and corruption. Obviously the high degree of world wide experience that was drafted in some years ago for the A330 operation is a serious threat to the little minds.
You want to be taken as a serious business woman Jane, then start by driving a fire hose through your own front and back yard.
Yet another very experienced wide body Capt has resigned due to the utter appalling graft and corruption. Obviously the high degree of world wide experience that was drafted in some years ago for the A330 operation is a serious threat to the little minds.
You want to be taken as a serious business woman Jane, then start by driving a fire hose through your own front and back yard.
“I have seen it in two companies where some one in HR has made specific requests for more employment of female pilots, "we don't have the right mix". So in answer to your question, yes.”
I wonder if said person in HR understood Australian labor law. It appears not.
“Isn't she fortunate that she isn't a duty manager at a port with no curfew, not having to work 14 hour days.”
You have no idea of the demands placed upon people working her job role.
“And isn't she fortunate she doesn't have to spend up to 20 hours as a crew member on one of the typically delayed stinky international bogan flights?”
Yep, isn’t it great she had the freedom of choice to pursue a career that doesn’t require this.
Some of us are not so clever.
I wonder if said person in HR understood Australian labor law. It appears not.
“Isn't she fortunate that she isn't a duty manager at a port with no curfew, not having to work 14 hour days.”
You have no idea of the demands placed upon people working her job role.
“And isn't she fortunate she doesn't have to spend up to 20 hours as a crew member on one of the typically delayed stinky international bogan flights?”
Yep, isn’t it great she had the freedom of choice to pursue a career that doesn’t require this.
Some of us are not so clever.
Oicur, the issue that staff have with managers like Ms Hrdlicka is having to deal with the sanctimonious rubbish such as:
Referring to Alan Joyce:
Discussing her own views on "work-life" balance.
And then her view of the type of workplace she wants to work in.
The reality is that aviation is a 24 hour business and the vast majority of people who work in the industry accept that and understand that sacrifices must be made. This sort of "preaching from the pulpit" by someone who has the ability to afford a nanny who takes care of everything at home and is able to negotiate to drop the kids off to school and be home by 6 pm sticks in the craw while most staff have to work shift work for perhaps 5% of her salary (and accept that) and their own family life suffers as a consequence.
The problem is that this issue feeds into a broader narrative of hypocrisy emanating from the offices of Coward Street and management have lost all credibility as a consequence of it.
At a time when staff are receiving emails telling them that every dollar is precious and front line staff are being asked to do more with less, are watching their colleagues being made redundant and are fearful for their jobs (what effect do you think that has on people's home life and "work-life balance"?), QANTAS is handing out goodie bags including $300 bottles of champagne to celebrate the Emirates tie-up to D-list celebrities.
At a time when the staff desperately need leadership and managers they can believe in they get this sort of stuff and it completely undermines any confidence that the staff have in senior management and destroys any remaining willingness to work co-operatively for the good of the company.
Jetstar Group CEO Jayne Hrdlicka says workplaces won't change until woman and men start to demand to work in different ways and draw the line.
She told him she couldn't spend two weeks a month in Asia doing deals as well as a heavy domestic travel schedule, "that's not the kind of parent I want to be".
"He said: "There is a must better way to run this business and the role modelling you will do by running it differently is exactly what the business needs'."
"I am very clear about my work balance rules. She said 80 per cent of the time she wants to drop her kids at school and get home by 6pm. She gets back online after dinner and bedtime. "You have to be very clear about where the that line is and manage that line because nobody else can manage that for you.
"If you don't have commitment at the top to create a diverse work environment, you're not going to get there." She advised people to "dig in and check the settings on things. . . ask why we do that?"
Just to keep your head down and keep going was dangerous, as more diverse workplaces benefited everyone.
Just to keep your head down and keep going was dangerous, as more diverse workplaces benefited everyone.
The problem is that this issue feeds into a broader narrative of hypocrisy emanating from the offices of Coward Street and management have lost all credibility as a consequence of it.
At a time when staff are receiving emails telling them that every dollar is precious and front line staff are being asked to do more with less, are watching their colleagues being made redundant and are fearful for their jobs (what effect do you think that has on people's home life and "work-life balance"?), QANTAS is handing out goodie bags including $300 bottles of champagne to celebrate the Emirates tie-up to D-list celebrities.
At a time when the staff desperately need leadership and managers they can believe in they get this sort of stuff and it completely undermines any confidence that the staff have in senior management and destroys any remaining willingness to work co-operatively for the good of the company.
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Tindibilla if you had any balls as a moderator you'd have a real name then you may get some respect. You also hide behind your cloak and delete posts that are true but somehow upset you.
It's a public forum buddy so start facing facts or give up the job.
It's a public forum buddy so start facing facts or give up the job.
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Jetstar Group CEO Jayne Hrdlicka says workplaces won't change until woman and men start to demand to work in different ways and draw the line.
The only gender that tries this on and wins at it.............................?
Even the previous scumbag CEO of this 'outfit' would have been laughed out of the joint if he had suggested this.
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Yep, isn’t it great she had the freedom of choice to pursue a career that doesn’t require this.
If you want to knock off every day at 1700 then there are plenty of industries that work weekdays only and you can have some predictability. The reality is you cannot have it all. Something will give. Guaranteed.
Everyone who gets into aviation knows what the deal is and that's the way it goes. People make choices around this knowledge. I know some people who have deliberately chosen one airline over another on lifestyle only.
It also quite possible that she has no idea what she has just got herself into and is just shooting off some idealistic propaganda.
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I'd say it's more to do with Jetstar trying to improve its image in the public domain.
If it was intended for employees it would have been an internal company message.
In the absence of that, I'd say it's an attempt to make Jetstar look like a family friendly employer after the bad rap they had under the previous CEO and media reports of "exploiting foreign workers".
If it was intended for employees it would have been an internal company message.
In the absence of that, I'd say it's an attempt to make Jetstar look like a family friendly employer after the bad rap they had under the previous CEO and media reports of "exploiting foreign workers".
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Devils advocate for a minute… she got offered a job and negotiated a deal. Good on her if she got away with it.
My last job outside of aviation was to make money with diggers and trucks. The boss didn't care if I worked 1 hour/day or 16. So long as I made money. I suggest her boss isn't much different.
I suspect however as time goes on, and the mothership starts running out of subsidies the heat may well come on.
In which case, we'll see just how true NN's last sentence becomes…
My last job outside of aviation was to make money with diggers and trucks. The boss didn't care if I worked 1 hour/day or 16. So long as I made money. I suggest her boss isn't much different.
I suspect however as time goes on, and the mothership starts running out of subsidies the heat may well come on.
In which case, we'll see just how true NN's last sentence becomes…
It also quite possible that she has no idea what she has just got herself into and just shooting off some idealistic propaganda.
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She may well have gotten away with something, but that is the point.At this level your job should be your life to look after the whole process and not just what can be crammed into mummy hours. Can anyone realistically expect this from any other ASX 200 company??
Sorry, but workers are supposed to give their whole, so why shouldn't the bosses who just happen to be on multi million dollar packages.
Still cannot get over the hide of the PR people to put this out there.
Sorry, but workers are supposed to give their whole, so why shouldn't the bosses who just happen to be on multi million dollar packages.
Still cannot get over the hide of the PR people to put this out there.
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I'd say it's more to do with Jetstar trying to improve its image in the public domain.
If it was intended for employees it would have been an internal company message.
In the absence of that, I'd say it's an attempt to make Jetstar look like a family friendly employer after the bad rap they had under the previous CEO and media reports of "exploiting foreign workers".
If it was intended for employees it would have been an internal company message.
In the absence of that, I'd say it's an attempt to make Jetstar look like a family friendly employer after the bad rap they had under the previous CEO and media reports of "exploiting foreign workers".
These articles are the result of several staffers putting time into them. The jetstar "CEO" has taken significant time out of her schedule and agreed to have her kids identities publicized. The production of such press always has a reason.
It's creation is either a reaction to bad press or proactive seeding prior to the release of bad press.
Well I guess this forum demonstrates that not only are prejudice and xenophobia themes of many PPRUNE posters, we can now add sexism to that list of endearing traits of these anonymous forum posters.
If there is some critical analysis of poor performance of the particular person concerned in the current or previous job, then go ahead and state it. Criticising someone for wanting some 'humanising roster rules' as part of her package is clutching at straws. A good leader must have good staff to support them, and the leader must have the ability to delegate their responsibility when the are away from the job. Expecting someone to be on the job 24/7 is just crazy. It is expecting something from her that you would not/should not accept yourselves.
A good analogy might be that of a captain of a ship or aircraft. On long tours of duty, they go off the bridge/flight deck for a rest and the first officer takes the watch. If something serious occurs, they can expect a call. Similarly, if the new CEO is at home with the family and something serious occurs, I am sure she can expect a phone call.
I would have thought that flight crew who spend much time away from home missing significant family events and suffering disruptions and shift work would want someone for a boss who values family time. You are going to get more sympathy from such a person when trying to negotiate conditions than someone who's only life is their job.
If there is some critical analysis of poor performance of the particular person concerned in the current or previous job, then go ahead and state it. Criticising someone for wanting some 'humanising roster rules' as part of her package is clutching at straws. A good leader must have good staff to support them, and the leader must have the ability to delegate their responsibility when the are away from the job. Expecting someone to be on the job 24/7 is just crazy. It is expecting something from her that you would not/should not accept yourselves.
A good analogy might be that of a captain of a ship or aircraft. On long tours of duty, they go off the bridge/flight deck for a rest and the first officer takes the watch. If something serious occurs, they can expect a call. Similarly, if the new CEO is at home with the family and something serious occurs, I am sure she can expect a phone call.
I would have thought that flight crew who spend much time away from home missing significant family events and suffering disruptions and shift work would want someone for a boss who values family time. You are going to get more sympathy from such a person when trying to negotiate conditions than someone who's only life is their job.
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Well I guess this forum demonstrates that not only are prejudice and xenophobia themes of many PPRuNe posters, we can now add sexism to that list of endearing traits of these anonymous forum posters.
The crap she is preaching will not apply to 'her' pilots. Scenario, one of her male pilots walks into her office and says he wants a more family friendly roster, result????
That's why they consider themselves different to us, the frontline workers, and that is why the management/employee relationship in the QF Group will forever be tarnished.
She probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a JQ A320 and A321 if you put them on the ramp next to each other. Yet she is the CEO and a candidate for 2012 "mum of the year".
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Jayne joined the Qantas Group in August 2010, taking the role of Group Executive, Strategy and Technology. In this position she was responsible for the overall development of Group strategy, including Qantas International and the business transformation initiatives underway across the Group.
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A good analogy might be that of a captain of a ship or aircraft. On long tours of duty, they go off the bridge/flight deck for a rest and the first officer takes the watch. If something serious occurs, they can expect a call. Similarly, if the new CEO is at home with the family and something serious occurs, I am sure she can expect a phone call.
It would be the equivalent of a Pilot wanting to only work earlies so he could pick the kids up 4/5 days a week.
Now if Jetstar bring in a awesome bidding/rostering system that enables this and Jetstar are willing to cop the cost and inefficiency, then good on her, she is doing something for her employees.
The problem for her is that the family friendly rationale cost money and is inefficient, if they are willing to wear the cost good on them, I for one don't think they will.
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What is even more hillarious is the statement that group strategy has a full time staff of 24. How the hell could 24 people not currently in a coma have strategised QF into its current state?
Hell, give any 4 pilots enough beer coupons and they'll come up with a strategy no worse than theirs. For next to nothing, except in PER where beer may cost more than the savings in staff, synergies notwithstanding, going forward. Etc.
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Hell, give any 4 pilots enough beer coupons and they'll come up with a strategy no worse than theirs. For next to nothing, except in PER where beer may cost more than the savings in staff, synergies notwithstanding, going forward. Etc.
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My guess is they were telling their bosses (executive/board) what they wanted to hear.It's a sign of outstanding leadership and a demonstration of a top shelf executive culture.
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Finally, someone with some sense! Could we please appoint these kids to the Qantas board?
So let's get this straight. Qantas PAYS $100m per year to MENTOR consultants?
2 years for the strategy arm of Qantas and this is the best they come up with? A centre of Excellence?
When Jayne Hardlicka told her young sons she had a new job running an airline they got a bit worried. "How can you be the boss of an airline when you can't fly a plane?" they asked.
Joyce was a client when Hardlicka was at Bain and she says he's been an important mentor.
There were benefits from spending two years building the strategy arm for Qantas.......It didn't have a centre of excellence and in the last couple of years we built great capability