Dallas Dispute - Qantas Crew stood down.
Big ups to the S/O who did their job by speaking up. Regardless of what happened subsequently, it is indicative of a healthy culture resulting in what was ultimately a safe outcome....we should not forget the number of times S/O's, F/O's, Flight Engineers have saved the day. I find the tongue and cheek posts suggesting in one way or another the S/O must have been unreasonable, or plain wrong quite unfair unless you have read the unpublished reports. Perhaps the S/O was wrong but he/she did their job and that should be applauded. Likewise suggesting the Capt has a reputation and it is no surprise is ignorant. 4 professional people should have been able to sort it out and the investigation which few here will become privy to, will explain why standing down was necessary. On perhaps a side issue, I hope that if ultimately some have decided not to extend, the words industrial action have not been used in the same sentence.
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I read that the issue was about "punching data into the FMS". Now the T/O calcs for DFW-BNE are a no-brainer, max figures. Except for the N1, any of us could supply the T/O data right now so I fail to see any chance of a dust up there.
Perhaps they disagreed on a planned flight path through the nearby TS right after T/O or whether to extend duty times.
Perhaps they disagreed on a planned flight path through the nearby TS right after T/O or whether to extend duty times.
Aren't there 2 SO's on long haul flights?
And what was the FO doing while this so called discussion was taking place?
If there were four people doing the Take Off data, surely some agreement would have taken place.
Unless of course it had nothing to do with the Take Off calcs!
And what was the FO doing while this so called discussion was taking place?
If there were four people doing the Take Off data, surely some agreement would have taken place.
Unless of course it had nothing to do with the Take Off calcs!
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That's funny stuff, ex-380. Wasn't "Dog" a designation used in Australia in the old days for an FO??
What's the difference between an FMC and an SO??
You only have to punch data into an FMC once...
Speak up once to air an issue, fair enough.
Continue whining about it afterward when no one else is wading in and the capt has said his piece? Way out of line.
What's the difference between an FMC and an SO??
You only have to punch data into an FMC once...
Speak up once to air an issue, fair enough.
Continue whining about it afterward when no one else is wading in and the capt has said his piece? Way out of line.
Us QF engineers have some great stories of the Captain involved...
When i found out about this story, i thought, there is only one captain that this could be. Not much of a surprise but i was i was right when i found out who the captain was.
In my 35 year career at Qantas i have never had someone treat me so rudely.
When i found out about this story, i thought, there is only one captain that this could be. Not much of a surprise but i was i was right when i found out who the captain was.
In my 35 year career at Qantas i have never had someone treat me so rudely.
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Obviously the G/Y generation have taken their attitude to the flight deck.
Knowing the age of most of the SOs in Qantas almost certainly he is Gen X, not the feared and hated Gen Y.
Yes they are frustrated little individualism advocates arnt they?
So for all you legends saying the SO should have said his piece then shut up, what if he did so, was right, the Captain wouldnt listen, the other crew were unaware, the flight took off and there was an incident?
What would you say then?
"The SO should have spoken up, thats what they're paid too much for blah blah blah"
What would you say then?
"The SO should have spoken up, thats what they're paid too much for blah blah blah"
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I think anyone who has flown with this gentleman will have a story to tell, both on and off the field.
Game of pool anyone?
I remember watching him in full lothario mode with my mouth agape unable to believe what I was witnessing.
Game of pool anyone?
I remember watching him in full lothario mode with my mouth agape unable to believe what I was witnessing.
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short flights long nights
I just had to google the definition of lothario
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That was the least litigious word I could come up with to paint a picture.
Perhaps the wrong word.
Think chris finch from the office x 1,000.
Perhaps the wrong word.
Think chris finch from the office x 1,000.
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short flights long nights
Ok a question..if this Capatain who was alledgely involed with an alleged incedent, and many posts say here that he maybe (alledgely) "a little hard" to get on with
I ask...how (if this is true) as he got through line checks, sim checks, whatever???
I ask...how (if this is true) as he got through line checks, sim checks, whatever???
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Think chris finch from the office x 1,000.
I have come across this Cpatain numerous times over the years but i still remember coming accross this Captain when i was working up in Narita on a very hot humid day. The cabin was literally 45 degrees. All the cabin crew, the FO and the SO were absolutely pissed off at this Captain because he wouldnt turn on the airconditioning packs 38 minutes before departure because his manual said 30 minutes before departure.
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Ok a question.... he maybe (alledgely) "a little hard" to get on with
I ask...how (if this is true) as he got through line checks, sim checks, whatever???
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I have witnessed him screaming at a waitress for our bar snacks being delivered late, then without pausing for breath, asking her back to his hotel room. She'd have been barely 21.
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Ok a question..if this Capatain who was alledgely involed with an alleged incedent, and many posts say here that he maybe (alledgely) "a little hard" to get on with
I ask...how (if this is true) as he got through line checks, sim checks, whatever???
I ask...how (if this is true) as he got through line checks, sim checks, whatever???
Helmets and hardhats on! Incoming..............
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