Dallas Dispute - Qantas Crew stood down.

[teresa green]

In my time we had the "I am sick of waiting for the Fox Captain" and thru his RB211 into reverse on the arm. A very interesting result followed. Then we had the "I hate CC Captain especially if they had different sexual preferences to me" who sat off the arm one night because he had CC on board he did not like. The duty Captain and the Duty Engineer has a little chat with him to no avail. One got the promoted, one got fired in the most unorthodox way. I will say no more, nor the airline involved.

[Wally Mk2]

.............amazing within just a few days there has been over a 150 posts & well over 35000 views....incredible.....,hmmmm QF sure knows how to attract attention:-)
I often wonder what the rest of the Aviation world now think of our flag carrier?

You can make 10 airframes identical but you will never make 10 pilots identical despite all the CRM BS & training, just can't be done!


Wmk2

[DutchRoll]

Well, having recently obtained some updated information, I'm no longer going to comment.

Other than to say I'm still not surprised! Not even a little bit. Nor will ejectx3 or TL be either!

[SOPS]

So I assume what you are saying Dutch is that,all this actually has some substance behind it.

[Dixons Millions]

U better believe it SOP, eject 3 et al are all on the money. Very sad state of afrairs. No further comment.

[RadioSaigon]

Originally Posted by teresa green

In my time we had the "I am sick of waiting for the Fox Captain" and thru his RB211 into reverse on the arm. A very interesting result followed. Then we had the "I hate CC Captain especially if they had different sexual preferences to me" who sat off the arm one night because he had CC on board he did not like. The duty Captain and the Duty Engineer has a little chat with him to no avail. One got the promoted, one got fired in the most unorthodox way. I will say no more, nor the airline involved.

That would have to go close to the "most indecipherable post of the year" category. Congratulations.

Originally Posted by Wally MkII

...within just a few days there has been over a 150 posts & well over 35000 views...

...and all because of a couple of uncontained ego's. What a waste of bandwidth.

[Kingfisher]

Parabellum, never gone as far as grounding a flight but it is a conversation I had many times in the past when I was in the RHS. The article I read gave me a deep sense of deja vu.

[teresa green]

Er, Radio, he tried to use one of his own engines to get off the arm. (Seriously).Stuffing the said engine. The other Captain had a personality disorder that caused him difficulty with people that batted for the other side. Any pilot that flew in the 80s/90s knows exactly who I am talking about. Yes, one was promoted, one was fired after being "set up" by the company in the most unpleasant way that involved the local constabulary. The Captain involved re not going, sat off the arm and refused to budge until certain CC were removed. Needless to say the company was not amused. Both the Duty Captain and Duty Engineer boarded and spoke to him, no luck. He claimed the CC had trashed his luggage. So we had a 747/200 sitting on the tarmac no further out than mtrs going nowhere. It was supposed to be going HNL/SFO. They called in another crew, stood him down and the aircraft did not leave till very late, after curfew time, and the pax were fairly distressed to say the least. I hope that makes it clearer. the Captain in question is now deceased.

[juliet]

No doubt he is experienced - in the role of being an SO. One of the first things you figure out as a capt is how much you didn't know about the role of the capt when employed in a different seat. This SO is about to have a lesson on the subject.

CRM techniques also involve the FO/SO understanding the correct way to question instructions, which conflicts with Gen Y conditioning to cry like a baby when dissatisfied, ignored, not placated, etc. When combined with inexperience, brazeness and youthful ignorance plus the wrong capt on the receiving end, you get a cockpit "conflict".

At least it happened on the ground. Now the SO can stand up and account for his actions. He better have his poop in one sock or the list of management capts lining up to kick his arse will be long and distinguished. Just like Slider's johnson.

My money is on the capt.

Hate to break this to you Hamfan, but many SOs have plenty of command time. They are sat in the third seat because of seniority, not because of a lack of ability or experience.

[ratpoison]

we seem to demonstrate more rationalisation skills than small groups from other airlines- particularly the silver and orange part of the group.

Now that's some funny arrogance at it's best ol KEG.

Don't know about the 320 op, but most of the 330 silver and orange drivers are ex B747,767, 777, A330 and A340 with exceptional world wide experience with legacy world wide carriers. I would say their 'rationalisation skills' would be some what more advanced than a certain person that operates mostly domestically and to possibly less than half a dozen international ports.

As my ol grandma use to say, "it's best not to put both feet in thy mouth as it leaves thee no leg to stand on".

[Keg]

If you're going to quote me ratpoison, how about doing it in context. The prelude to your quote is this:

if recent PPRuNe contributions are evidence though....

Ive got no doubt that JQ has lots of great operators. I just don't see their skills demonstrated here on PPRUNE. I guess though that your recent burst shows that some examples of comprehension aren't that flash either.

So thanks for proving my point...... and your Grandma's.

Like NOTAM, you've got a chip on your shoulder that blinds you (and many others) into an anti Qantas drivers confirmation bias that diminishes skills that I'm sure would be perfectly acceptable in most other circumstances. So quick are you to try and shoot people down that you don't realise that you've pulled the trigger with the gun firmly aimed at your own foot.