Airservices CEO resigns
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Does not the 840 odd extra positions but not 1 extra ATC ring alarm bells in anybody's mind? The ATC numbers have been desperately short for 5 years or so, they were warned, but, oh no, we can't have the association pointing out our deficiencies.
This administration has been nothing short of disastrous. And to have that imbecile at CASA try and normalise the BOS issue is yet more public service bullsh!t. They were warned about that too, the selection criteria controlled by HR, some of them having never stepped foot in a centre or tower.
Tell me why any CEO with any credibility, honesty or integrity resigns a couple of days before Nick gets to question him in the Senate?
This administration has been nothing short of disastrous. And to have that imbecile at CASA try and normalise the BOS issue is yet more public service bullsh!t. They were warned about that too, the selection criteria controlled by HR, some of them having never stepped foot in a centre or tower.
Tell me why any CEO with any credibility, honesty or integrity resigns a couple of days before Nick gets to question him in the Senate?
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ATSB has had to be alerted to incidences of BOS.
The Air Traffic Management division now has an open reporting culture less than North Korea. Even the greater organisation of ASA has scant idea of the scope of ongoing cover-ups.
The GM has made it known since he joined as a trainee controller that his goal was to be running the place as quickly as possible. To have great ambition is admirable and to be respected. The path chosen to get there is the issue. To attempt to subvert, deny and cover up very real problems is indicative of a culture that comes from the top.
TFN was still justifying his stuff-ups on inherited problems 5 years into the job. The panacea to his and JHs ills, and to prolong the Emperors new clothes, was to bring out 5 year plans, visions, values, invigorating management restructures, staff engagement surveys, etc. TFN quickly got out of his depth.
A lot of sunlight is needed to return ASA to a safety based service. Australia, especially aviation, needs another 20 Xenophons.
The Air Traffic Management division now has an open reporting culture less than North Korea. Even the greater organisation of ASA has scant idea of the scope of ongoing cover-ups.
The GM has made it known since he joined as a trainee controller that his goal was to be running the place as quickly as possible. To have great ambition is admirable and to be respected. The path chosen to get there is the issue. To attempt to subvert, deny and cover up very real problems is indicative of a culture that comes from the top.
TFN was still justifying his stuff-ups on inherited problems 5 years into the job. The panacea to his and JHs ills, and to prolong the Emperors new clothes, was to bring out 5 year plans, visions, values, invigorating management restructures, staff engagement surveys, etc. TFN quickly got out of his depth.
A lot of sunlight is needed to return ASA to a safety based service. Australia, especially aviation, needs another 20 Xenophons.
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Questions, pony pooh, spin doctors and smoking holes
Good point Jack, anybody earning 800k per year should have the testicular fortitude to answer a few 'incoming questions' from the Senators. Instead he opted for career suicide rather than face his jury.
As for CASA's (CAA) 'top to bottom audit' of ASA, what a crock of ****e that it is 'cooncidental' with the illustrious leader departing and all the other issues taking place. Albo knew a **** sandwich was coming c/o the senators and he has taken a preemptive strike of course.
Perhaps the good Senators could ask the following of the Skull - If safety oversight is such a priority then why does CAA spend endless amounts of time and money chasing Butsons and Joneses yet can't even audit ASA, an integral safety element within aviation? 5 years!!!
This proves the absolute top layer of CAA has no in-depth understanding of safety and risk, no idea at all. They have wasted all this time chasing chopper pilots, bullying industry, wasting taxpayer money on international sojourns and producing glossy brochures containing nothing more than bureaucratic spin lingo. They chase two cent operators with personal vengeance while ASA remains short staffed and near misses increase by the month. And these clowns understand risk??? It appears glaringly not!
As for the pathetic Board at CAA throughout all of this they and the ASA Board should be disposed of with with gusto, they are the key drivers in all this mess of course along with the upper echelon of management in both organizations.
Then we get to final part of the jigsaw - The Minister. Isn't he doing a stellar job in all of this? Safety has plummeted and risk has skyrocketed under his direct leadership. His Generals are actually none star Generals and couldn't lead a handful of troops successfully through a garden hose water fight. It is a disgrace.
So, if and I say if the Libs are pulling some chains in all of this I hope they now know what they are inheriting when they win the next election. Us in the industry already know it but the rest of Australian are just waking up to the fact that we have a completely dysfunctional unsafe aviation environment being fueled by inept management of a number of aviation stakeholders.
CAA needs to be gutted, it's bowels turned inside out and have a structured, accountable, intelligent workable regulatory oversight organization introduced. Get rid of the bureaucrats, spin doctors, thesis dribbling buffoons and bring in some savvy, smart younger safety and aviation knowledgeable leaders to start us again from scratch. If you look hard enough they are out there.
It is well and truly time to piss of the litany of pensioners, has-beens, lawyers and bureaucratics that are sending our aviation industry deeper into the dark pit it is currently buried in.
As for CASA's (CAA) 'top to bottom audit' of ASA, what a crock of ****e that it is 'cooncidental' with the illustrious leader departing and all the other issues taking place. Albo knew a **** sandwich was coming c/o the senators and he has taken a preemptive strike of course.
Perhaps the good Senators could ask the following of the Skull - If safety oversight is such a priority then why does CAA spend endless amounts of time and money chasing Butsons and Joneses yet can't even audit ASA, an integral safety element within aviation? 5 years!!!
This proves the absolute top layer of CAA has no in-depth understanding of safety and risk, no idea at all. They have wasted all this time chasing chopper pilots, bullying industry, wasting taxpayer money on international sojourns and producing glossy brochures containing nothing more than bureaucratic spin lingo. They chase two cent operators with personal vengeance while ASA remains short staffed and near misses increase by the month. And these clowns understand risk??? It appears glaringly not!
As for the pathetic Board at CAA throughout all of this they and the ASA Board should be disposed of with with gusto, they are the key drivers in all this mess of course along with the upper echelon of management in both organizations.
Then we get to final part of the jigsaw - The Minister. Isn't he doing a stellar job in all of this? Safety has plummeted and risk has skyrocketed under his direct leadership. His Generals are actually none star Generals and couldn't lead a handful of troops successfully through a garden hose water fight. It is a disgrace.
So, if and I say if the Libs are pulling some chains in all of this I hope they now know what they are inheriting when they win the next election. Us in the industry already know it but the rest of Australian are just waking up to the fact that we have a completely dysfunctional unsafe aviation environment being fueled by inept management of a number of aviation stakeholders.
CAA needs to be gutted, it's bowels turned inside out and have a structured, accountable, intelligent workable regulatory oversight organization introduced. Get rid of the bureaucrats, spin doctors, thesis dribbling buffoons and bring in some savvy, smart younger safety and aviation knowledgeable leaders to start us again from scratch. If you look hard enough they are out there.
It is well and truly time to piss of the litany of pensioners, has-beens, lawyers and bureaucratics that are sending our aviation industry deeper into the dark pit it is currently buried in.
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Although hypocrisy has been called "the tribute that vice pays to virtue", and a bit of it certainly greases the wheels of social exchange, it may also corrode the well-being of those people who continually make or are forced to make use of it.
Senator XENOPHON: Could I just go to the issue of organisations? You have a role to play—CASA plays a pivotal role—in terms of regulating airlines in this country, particularly those with an air operating certificate and high-capacity passenger aircraft. Do you take a similar approach to the way you would regulate or oversee Airservices Australia, given their pivotal role in terms of safety in the skies?
Mr McCormick: Yes; very much so. We conduct routine surveillance and audits of Airservices, particularly their certificate under CASR Part 172. At the moment we are conducting a top-to-bottom review of Airservices. We have started by interviewing the previous CEO. So we are starting at the top of the chain.
Senator XENOPHON: If I were to put to you that an Australian airline had a massive turnover of senior management over a relatively short period, would that trigger any alarm bells or any inquiries on the part of CASA in terms of the management of that airline, in the way it does its business?
Mr McCormick: They are issues very germane through various parts of the Civil Aviation Act that refer, particularly section 28. It was proven in the past with airlines when this happens—we invariably contact them straight away and we also say, 'You will have to give us the detailed plan of how you are doing this.' As all these airline operators do have a safety management system, we expect to see the outcome of their safety management system after they put their proposed changes through that process.
Mr McCormick: Yes; very much so. We conduct routine surveillance and audits of Airservices, particularly their certificate under CASR Part 172. At the moment we are conducting a top-to-bottom review of Airservices. We have started by interviewing the previous CEO. So we are starting at the top of the chain.
Senator XENOPHON: If I were to put to you that an Australian airline had a massive turnover of senior management over a relatively short period, would that trigger any alarm bells or any inquiries on the part of CASA in terms of the management of that airline, in the way it does its business?
Mr McCormick: They are issues very germane through various parts of the Civil Aviation Act that refer, particularly section 28. It was proven in the past with airlines when this happens—we invariably contact them straight away and we also say, 'You will have to give us the detailed plan of how you are doing this.' As all these airline operators do have a safety management system, we expect to see the outcome of their safety management system after they put their proposed changes through that process.
Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise. ~Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland.
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Woah mate.
Sunny - Three smoking holes and a Royal Commission to come.
Nice work if you can get it.
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Max1 - I second your bet but that doesn't stop controllers getting closer to them with all the information that they might need. You can do that anonymously or otherwise. If you want to make a difference sometimes you have to take the first few steps. This might be one of the few times that the line controller's might actually make a difference if you are willing to get in there and fight for what's right. Those above will try with all their might to stop it but many, many voices cannot be all stopped.
Get in the ring - now's the chance.
Get in the ring - now's the chance.
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Max - There is hope.
The copy I have of Hansard for the Estimates 23/5/2012, cannot be accurate, if it is then we are very deep in the mire. When you start to join up the dots, as the Senators seem to be doing there is an ugly picture emerging.
Pages 31 –38 (PDF) Department of Infrastructure and Transport. Simply confirms that "Yes Minister" is a 'Willyleaks' direct internal video feed. No longer funny but a matter of grave concern; to all and that includes the 'big end' of money town.
Pages 38 – 42 (PDF) - Air Services Australia: Simply serves to confirm all fears that despite the rhetoric, a clerical empire has been built and will be 'sacked' as needed to produce 'efficiencies' when required, simply unload a thousand or so 'clerks' and shine. Yes Minister, we can shed 400 jobs next year and still maintain our efficiency. Refer Clark page 41 (PDF).
Pages 44 – 48 (PDF) - Air Services Australia: It further demonstrates that the galley slaves entrusted with separating the ever increasing numbers of aircraft are only being replaced after death by half trained replacement parts. The object, to maximise the profit; the industry will have passed on the 100 million dollar cost to the punters, probably at a profit. So Joe Public pays a hidden premium price and is cynically fed into a system which is under manned, over worked and only functions on the dedication and professionalism of the galley slaves.
Pages 48 – 57 (PDF) Civil Aviation Safety Authority : The casual observer may be forgiven for assuming this was a routine Q&A from the Senators; our hero deftly foiling the awkward tricky barbs of the unwashed, unshriven uneducated mentally challenged masses. This is not a safe proposition. Our hero has been weighed, measured and found wanting by folks who actually do not believe a word of it; any of it, at all, at all. Selah.
Pages 57 - Australian Transport Safety Bureau : "Is this a dagger I see before me". The dots are being joined here again. Fawcett does it brilliantly with a question that offered a sporting chance of probity (Bravo). The question is posed with multiple options allowing a graceful exit for a honest man (refer page 58). Lamb to the slaughter, this is the thin edge of the wedge; the ATSB has become a glove puppet to the Ministers whims and it seems they intend to prove it. Bad Tiger bad; look at the pretty Orange Super Star
The whole shooting match is a disgusting tale which can only become more interesting as the thieves fall out and the blame game starts.
Is there enough in this Estimates to reasonably call for the resignation of the Minister; Oh I believe so.
Pages 31 –38 (PDF) Department of Infrastructure and Transport. Simply confirms that "Yes Minister" is a 'Willyleaks' direct internal video feed. No longer funny but a matter of grave concern; to all and that includes the 'big end' of money town.
Pages 38 – 42 (PDF) - Air Services Australia: Simply serves to confirm all fears that despite the rhetoric, a clerical empire has been built and will be 'sacked' as needed to produce 'efficiencies' when required, simply unload a thousand or so 'clerks' and shine. Yes Minister, we can shed 400 jobs next year and still maintain our efficiency. Refer Clark page 41 (PDF).
Pages 44 – 48 (PDF) - Air Services Australia: It further demonstrates that the galley slaves entrusted with separating the ever increasing numbers of aircraft are only being replaced after death by half trained replacement parts. The object, to maximise the profit; the industry will have passed on the 100 million dollar cost to the punters, probably at a profit. So Joe Public pays a hidden premium price and is cynically fed into a system which is under manned, over worked and only functions on the dedication and professionalism of the galley slaves.
Pages 48 – 57 (PDF) Civil Aviation Safety Authority : The casual observer may be forgiven for assuming this was a routine Q&A from the Senators; our hero deftly foiling the awkward tricky barbs of the unwashed, unshriven uneducated mentally challenged masses. This is not a safe proposition. Our hero has been weighed, measured and found wanting by folks who actually do not believe a word of it; any of it, at all, at all. Selah.
Pages 57 - Australian Transport Safety Bureau : "Is this a dagger I see before me". The dots are being joined here again. Fawcett does it brilliantly with a question that offered a sporting chance of probity (Bravo). The question is posed with multiple options allowing a graceful exit for a honest man (refer page 58). Lamb to the slaughter, this is the thin edge of the wedge; the ATSB has become a glove puppet to the Ministers whims and it seems they intend to prove it. Bad Tiger bad; look at the pretty Orange Super Star
The whole shooting match is a disgusting tale which can only become more interesting as the thieves fall out and the blame game starts.
Is there enough in this Estimates to reasonably call for the resignation of the Minister; Oh I believe so.
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They are getting closer to asking the right questions. Mr Harfield's 'economy with the truth' might bite him on the arse, one day. Perhaps in the very near future?
eg. Fawcett:...Would it be accurate to say that during the period you are describing, from 2006-08 to the present, you have struggled to maintain your mature workforce in terms of air traffic controllers?
Harfield:.....But, overall for the national workforce, we have always been above the mature level.
Fawcett: That is extremely at odds with the vast number of media and other reports about air traffic controllers having to work extended amounts of overtime to make up for shortfalls in the workforce and with some of the discussions about the significant need to ramp up your training numbers....
Harfield: .....Before that, I need to correct the record, Senator. The average amount of overtime experienced by air traffic controllers is one shift per month. That is on average. Therefore, they are doing seven to eight hours per month on average across the workforce of 950 operational air traffic controllers.....
I'd be interested to hear what those currently working there have to say about that?
Also, it is apparent why they don't want TIBA at all cost. TIBA is quantifiable. The amount of TIBA is reportable to senators, and is a clear indication that staff numbers ARE NOT all hunky-dory. They point down the road of the inference in some of the questions: That executives make more money when the organisation makes more money i.e. that safety IS NOT the primary focus of executives, or their decisions (over issues such as staffing). When they simply 'flow restrict' a volume of airspace- achieving the same thing as a TIBA but with out any paper trail- it has the same result; the airlines are shafted, the workers are flogged harder (in fewer numbers), the AsA bottom line looks good, the execs get their bonuses, and the good senators are none the wiser. Maybe.
eg. Fawcett:...Would it be accurate to say that during the period you are describing, from 2006-08 to the present, you have struggled to maintain your mature workforce in terms of air traffic controllers?
Harfield:.....But, overall for the national workforce, we have always been above the mature level.
Fawcett: That is extremely at odds with the vast number of media and other reports about air traffic controllers having to work extended amounts of overtime to make up for shortfalls in the workforce and with some of the discussions about the significant need to ramp up your training numbers....
Harfield: .....Before that, I need to correct the record, Senator. The average amount of overtime experienced by air traffic controllers is one shift per month. That is on average. Therefore, they are doing seven to eight hours per month on average across the workforce of 950 operational air traffic controllers.....
I'd be interested to hear what those currently working there have to say about that?
Also, it is apparent why they don't want TIBA at all cost. TIBA is quantifiable. The amount of TIBA is reportable to senators, and is a clear indication that staff numbers ARE NOT all hunky-dory. They point down the road of the inference in some of the questions: That executives make more money when the organisation makes more money i.e. that safety IS NOT the primary focus of executives, or their decisions (over issues such as staffing). When they simply 'flow restrict' a volume of airspace- achieving the same thing as a TIBA but with out any paper trail- it has the same result; the airlines are shafted, the workers are flogged harder (in fewer numbers), the AsA bottom line looks good, the execs get their bonuses, and the good senators are none the wiser. Maybe.
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Sunfish,
I am assuming three smoking holes and a Royal Commssion you mean AsA, CASA and ATSB....
Well me thinks AsA is pretty close...
We are already seeing the realization in ATSB and CASA that they have to do something about AsA but because they really have no idea what is going on, what to look for and even iif they did how to fix it they will essentially be dragged into the quicksand as well..
Would not miss it for quids...
I believe June 3 is when the current Chair of AsA departs...
Wonder what he must be thinking....as every time I have spoke to him the very basis for AsA to exist seemed to elude him...
Poor old Angus H must already be wondering how he lucked out so badly when he assumes the position on ?June 4....
as he looks at the three top levels of current AsA management and realizes probably only one or two have any credibility left...or deserve to polish his shoes...let alone lead youth into harm's way...
But this business he has taken in "retirement" is in some ways a bit more complicated than defending the country...as it is the "enemy" within that he has to deal with...
Starting with the AsA board and moving down...
Let Act 1, Scene 2 commence...
Oh, and Angus could get rid of the 3 top levels of management and AsA would still function just fine...in fact probably heaps better because the morale would be far better than its been for almost a decade!!
I am assuming three smoking holes and a Royal Commssion you mean AsA, CASA and ATSB....
Well me thinks AsA is pretty close...
We are already seeing the realization in ATSB and CASA that they have to do something about AsA but because they really have no idea what is going on, what to look for and even iif they did how to fix it they will essentially be dragged into the quicksand as well..
Would not miss it for quids...
I believe June 3 is when the current Chair of AsA departs...
Wonder what he must be thinking....as every time I have spoke to him the very basis for AsA to exist seemed to elude him...
Poor old Angus H must already be wondering how he lucked out so badly when he assumes the position on ?June 4....
as he looks at the three top levels of current AsA management and realizes probably only one or two have any credibility left...or deserve to polish his shoes...let alone lead youth into harm's way...
But this business he has taken in "retirement" is in some ways a bit more complicated than defending the country...as it is the "enemy" within that he has to deal with...
Starting with the AsA board and moving down...
Let Act 1, Scene 2 commence...
Oh, and Angus could get rid of the 3 top levels of management and AsA would still function just fine...in fact probably heaps better because the morale would be far better than its been for almost a decade!!
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When I say Three smoking holes I'm sorry to say I mean airframes.
The first accident will be explained away as a statistical blip.
The Second will be explained away as pure coincidence.
If either of the accidents involves a foreign airline, it will be blamed on their shoddy regulatory environment, "non english speaking crew", etc. etc xenophobia will do the rest.
It will take the third hull loss before the average voter wakes up and demands action.
The first accident will be explained away as a statistical blip.
The Second will be explained away as pure coincidence.
If either of the accidents involves a foreign airline, it will be blamed on their shoddy regulatory environment, "non english speaking crew", etc. etc xenophobia will do the rest.
It will take the third hull loss before the average voter wakes up and demands action.
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Sunfish,
My apologies on my incorrect assumptions....
From my point of view observing AsA from very very close quarters, they have already had enough "near misses" for the public to act...it is just they do not have the information in front of them yet...despite the best efforts of the senate and certain journalists...
Never been called an optimist before but I still think the times they are a changing...Before lives are lost...
My apologies on my incorrect assumptions....
From my point of view observing AsA from very very close quarters, they have already had enough "near misses" for the public to act...it is just they do not have the information in front of them yet...despite the best efforts of the senate and certain journalists...
Never been called an optimist before but I still think the times they are a changing...Before lives are lost...
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Well - Someone cares.
Found this in a brown envelope pushed under the door this AM; CC TV showed only a tall dark, wild eyed figure in a pointed hat, giggling and cackling insanely, doing 30 knots toward the rising sun.
ASA - Fact or fiction ?.
Can anyone assist with identification.
ASA - Fact or fiction ?.
Can anyone assist with identification.
Does this mean that someone who represented CASA at the recent Senates estimates will be representing ASA at the next Senates estimates?
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Sunny,
Yep, heard the rumours about a CASA manager too...but not the chief front man....however, I am pretty sure that s not who direct.no.speed is talking about.
d.n.s. I take it you mean an internal selection???
Yep, heard the rumours about a CASA manager too...but not the chief front man....however, I am pretty sure that s not who direct.no.speed is talking about.
d.n.s. I take it you mean an internal selection???
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Come in spinner
Well no disrespect intended towards Angus but as predicted the government bring in an experienced spin doctor to run the place.
Sorry fella's, I can't muster up any faith or exultation in this decision.
People like Angus don't rise to the top by being great on the shooting range and always keeping their shoes shining. They get to the top of the Forces by knowing how to play the game well, sliding over others, being strategic yes men and developing a knack for bureaucratic spin mastery. The art of smoke and mirrors is their forte. So for this guy to be the 'chosen one' means he knows how to polish the turd to make the Minister look nice and shiny. So put away the party hats and balloons, no cause for celebration yet.
Now I'm hearing that Herr Skull may also be leaving the building prior to his contract ending. But the bad thing is that rumor has it the 'Richard Dreyfuss lookalike' will get to sit in the angry mans chair. This is far from good. We need anaviation expert in the left hand seat at Fort Fumble, not somebody who demands a stat dec and a thesis be written just to order a handful of pens.
Sorry fella's, I can't muster up any faith or exultation in this decision.
People like Angus don't rise to the top by being great on the shooting range and always keeping their shoes shining. They get to the top of the Forces by knowing how to play the game well, sliding over others, being strategic yes men and developing a knack for bureaucratic spin mastery. The art of smoke and mirrors is their forte. So for this guy to be the 'chosen one' means he knows how to polish the turd to make the Minister look nice and shiny. So put away the party hats and balloons, no cause for celebration yet.
Now I'm hearing that Herr Skull may also be leaving the building prior to his contract ending. But the bad thing is that rumor has it the 'Richard Dreyfuss lookalike' will get to sit in the angry mans chair. This is far from good. We need anaviation expert in the left hand seat at Fort Fumble, not somebody who demands a stat dec and a thesis be written just to order a handful of pens.
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Gobbledock,
I don't see and hear champagne corks popping in AsA....
Things could and will get a lot worse before they get better...
What with the "top to bottom" review by CASA, no workface controller ever expects CASA to get to the bottom so they can find out all the bullsh&$ told to Xenophon etc..
The fear papable in the vacuum of the moment is, that wiith a certain internal CEO appointee, morale would apparently tip right over the edge...
I don't see and hear champagne corks popping in AsA....
Things could and will get a lot worse before they get better...
What with the "top to bottom" review by CASA, no workface controller ever expects CASA to get to the bottom so they can find out all the bullsh&$ told to Xenophon etc..
The fear papable in the vacuum of the moment is, that wiith a certain internal CEO appointee, morale would apparently tip right over the edge...
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Well no disrespect intended towards Angus but as predicted the government bring in an experienced spin doctor to run the place.
Sorry fella's, I can't muster up any faith or exultation in this decision.
People like Angus don't rise to the top by being great on the shooting range and always keeping their shoes shining
Sorry fella's, I can't muster up any faith or exultation in this decision.
People like Angus don't rise to the top by being great on the shooting range and always keeping their shoes shining