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However, what I and I suspect many other Qantas staff, would be interested to see is each entity operate as a stand-alone organisation.
Reality is QF international is being propped up and needs to generate enough profit to sustain itself. You may deny the reality in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. But bottom line is - QF needs drastic change & it will be carried out.
The sooner you learn to accept it the better it will be for your own emotional wellbeing.
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Shon7 you are truly showing your ignorance. Do you work for qantas? International is not losing money-fact!!! It is supporting unprofitable parts of the 'group' you so dearly love like Jq vietnam/Asia and possibly Jq international. Go troll somewhere else
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A group structure gives you better access to financing, better cost of capital and more purchasing power. It would be foolish to give that away.
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Originally Posted by shon7
airline management positions
8th Mar 2002, 12:59
had posted this in another forum but I am hoping to get some more feedback here. . .. .What is the best way to get into an airline management position- specifically route planning/ development, fleet management etc. What is my best bet? Getting an MBA first or just getting any position with the airline and working my way up.
8th Mar 2002, 12:59
had posted this in another forum but I am hoping to get some more feedback here. . .. .What is the best way to get into an airline management position- specifically route planning/ development, fleet management etc. What is my best bet? Getting an MBA first or just getting any position with the airline and working my way up.
Originally Posted by shon7
25th Oct 2004, 14:11
Concordia University Aviation MBA
Can anyone give me any information on the Aviation MBA at Concordia in Montreal specific or general.
Have you heard of the program at all?
How is Concordia Ranked as a school?
How is Montreal, Quebec as a place to live and work?
Why do they tout Montreal as the aviation capital of the world?
Any other information that would be helpful.
Thanks,
Shon
Concordia University Aviation MBA
Can anyone give me any information on the Aviation MBA at Concordia in Montreal specific or general.
Have you heard of the program at all?
How is Concordia Ranked as a school?
How is Montreal, Quebec as a place to live and work?
Why do they tout Montreal as the aviation capital of the world?
Any other information that would be helpful.
Thanks,
Shon
Originally Posted by shon7
Management/ non-line flying jobs in Flight Operations after getting CPL
23rd Jun 2010, 05:20
What kind of management jobs or non-line flying jobs (but still in flight operations) can one try for after a CPL?
Ones I could come up with are
Training
Compliance
Operations Analysis/ FOQA
23rd Jun 2010, 05:20
What kind of management jobs or non-line flying jobs (but still in flight operations) can one try for after a CPL?
Ones I could come up with are
Training
Compliance
Operations Analysis/ FOQA
Originally Posted by shon7
MBA recruitment at Singapore, Thai
26th Oct 2010, 02:54
Does anyone know if Singapore Airlines or Thai Airways have MBA recruitment programs for graduates out of business school?
26th Oct 2010, 02:54
Does anyone know if Singapore Airlines or Thai Airways have MBA recruitment programs for graduates out of business school?
Kool-aid drinking wannabe management pilot ideologue & pathological labour hater, engage at your own peril.
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Nice investigative work Enchilada. It would indeed appear that shon7 is more like shisen7. Definitely an airline manager/wallstreet capitalist type fool. Another bottom dweller looking to make a name doing very little while being heavily remunerated. Throw in a little anti union rhetoric and a dash of airline manager ass licking and you have one shon7.
Maybe Shon7=Wirthless
The same razor sharp intellect and ability to see the truth is clearly in evidence.
BTW I heard directly a QF fleet manager when forced to (I won't say who because I don't think it detracts from the point) actually admit that Elaine is in fact a liar. Not news to anyone obviously, but worthy of passing on.
Also a fleet manager (not necessarily the same one) was in SIN for a line crew briefing a couple of days before the grounding. More interestingly another senior captain who was meant to be with him wasn't even sent to SIN because at the last minute it was decided in the halls of power that only one need go for the briefing 'tour'. Mysteriously the last line crew briefing was cancelled and the fleet manager was paxed home a day early, for 'unknown' reasons. The following day of course Elaine woke up (and showing a spectacular grasp of the commercial realities of the airline business) had an epiphany and grounded the airline.
The same razor sharp intellect and ability to see the truth is clearly in evidence.BTW I heard directly a QF fleet manager when forced to (I won't say who because I don't think it detracts from the point) actually admit that Elaine is in fact a liar. Not news to anyone obviously, but worthy of passing on.
Also a fleet manager (not necessarily the same one) was in SIN for a line crew briefing a couple of days before the grounding. More interestingly another senior captain who was meant to be with him wasn't even sent to SIN because at the last minute it was decided in the halls of power that only one need go for the briefing 'tour'. Mysteriously the last line crew briefing was cancelled and the fleet manager was paxed home a day early, for 'unknown' reasons. The following day of course Elaine woke up (and showing a spectacular grasp of the commercial realities of the airline business) had an epiphany and grounded the airline.
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Stages of grief:
1. Denial and Isolation
It is a normal reaction to rationalize overwhelming emotions. It is a defense mechanism that buffers the immediate shock. We block out the words and hide from the facts. This is a temporary response that carries one through the first wave of pain.
(in this context: conspiracy theories, let JQ be stand alone, QF international is not losing money, its all an accounting game)
2. Anger
As the masking effects of denial and isolation begin to wear, reality and its pain re-emerge. The intense emotion is deflected from our vulnerable core, redirected and expressed instead as anger. The anger may be aimed at inanimate objects, complete strangers, friends or family.
(in this context: name calling, labelling, s/he is Indian, s/he is a troll, s/he is Australian, s/he is a mgmt wannabe).
2 more stages to come and you'll soon be nearer to acceptance.
Great entertainment in the meantime.
by the way in terms of facts nothing has changed:
QF international continues to lose money
JQ is still propping up QF
Drastic change is needed
1. Denial and Isolation
It is a normal reaction to rationalize overwhelming emotions. It is a defense mechanism that buffers the immediate shock. We block out the words and hide from the facts. This is a temporary response that carries one through the first wave of pain.
(in this context: conspiracy theories, let JQ be stand alone, QF international is not losing money, its all an accounting game)
2. Anger
As the masking effects of denial and isolation begin to wear, reality and its pain re-emerge. The intense emotion is deflected from our vulnerable core, redirected and expressed instead as anger. The anger may be aimed at inanimate objects, complete strangers, friends or family.
(in this context: name calling, labelling, s/he is Indian, s/he is a troll, s/he is Australian, s/he is a mgmt wannabe).
2 more stages to come and you'll soon be nearer to acceptance.
Great entertainment in the meantime.
by the way in terms of facts nothing has changed:
QF international continues to lose money
JQ is still propping up QF
Drastic change is needed
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I read in this and other QF threads from a few posters (especially TG) who speak of QF being the "National Carrier" What does this term mean, I dont think it has any relavance now that the Government is not propping the airline up any more. I believe QF is now just another carrier and has lost its status a "National Carrier". TG and others are living in the past glories of QF and those times are never coming back, you can never recreate the past.
Shon7 is delusional....Low-cost Long-Haul will never make money beyond 5 hours.....Just ask BB....AJ will lie....If Jetstar is so successful why does it need Qantas? No Low-Cost Long-Haul has ever survived(Freddie Laker)....Yield is needed....Premium cabin that is a real premium cabin....Smoke & Mirrors..
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QF international continues to lose money
JQ is still propping up QF
Drastic change is needed
JQ is still propping up QF
Drastic change is needed
Idolise Clifford? well you can't put brains in monuments either.
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Mainline is the Linchpin
You close mainline down and the entire Group would collapse in six months.
Without mainline there is no Qantas.There is no Jetstar without mainline.
Without mainline there is no Qantas.There is no Jetstar without mainline.
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Harry, come on, surely you have no real proof for that? You even said back in 2009 that Qantas would be dead in six months.
Where do you get your figures from?
Where do you get your figures from?
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Of course it's not shown. That ruins the strategy of aj and his buddies. But the accounting we do know, totally flies in the face of Jq being profitable on its own. Qf owns the international Jq fleet, pays for its fuel, and continues to do adhoc maint beyond the scope of Jq engineers. International load factors for Qf are well above 80%. 10% greater than jq's. If you stop attributing the 'groups' costs to international, you may well find its one of the most profitable parts of the company. Even the frequent flyer and freight profits are off the back of international ops
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Some quite interesting points made so far, the view that the current management team of Qantas is not up to it seem unanimous, even if it has the financial numbers it has no employee support, little public support and lukewarm market support. The notion of Qantas as a national icon seems predominantly supported and its place in Australian history clear. The vexed issue remains, where to next?
If you consider the history or growth of Qantas suggested by my first posting, you see a clear transition and development of what were two distinct businesses, Qantas and TAA into a singular business group Qantas. The original companies serviced very different markets, overseas and international travellers and domestic local travellers. I am not convinced that the joining together of the two ever made any business sense and there was little logistical saving in training or maintenance. The merger also in my view complicated engineering and fleet choices. To save both or the Qantas brand, which is really an international brand, seems to require that the company board and senior managers be replaced and the company be split into Jetstar, Domestic and International. All should be set loose to go after the market they are good at without being tied to each other. I would rebrand the domestic business RedQ-The Nations Airline and drop the Spirit of Australia crap from international. You could have Qantas Fleet be reconstituted into an aircraft leasing and maintenance organisation to service all three. You could have FT & S or C&T reconstituted to provide safety and training to all three, with free movement between groups to those involved if they so chose. My views are also based on the issue of mergers, most big business mergers rarely succeed and decoupling or business damage is frequent despite M&A being considered hot activity, the Qantas experiment is to my view consistent with this outcome, it has not worked and both entities are a drag on the other.
More food for thought!
Qantas International has to survive it is part of who we are as Australians (other company's could have been but did not survive) and I am sure there would be very few Australians who would like to see it fail and dissappear. Yes and Geoff Dixon's the 'sky is falling act' is not going to work for the current CEO, you don't need a re-write of the Air Navigation or Qantas Sale Acts, you just go around them by reorganising back to the way things were then go for it! Could do worse.
If you consider the history or growth of Qantas suggested by my first posting, you see a clear transition and development of what were two distinct businesses, Qantas and TAA into a singular business group Qantas. The original companies serviced very different markets, overseas and international travellers and domestic local travellers. I am not convinced that the joining together of the two ever made any business sense and there was little logistical saving in training or maintenance. The merger also in my view complicated engineering and fleet choices. To save both or the Qantas brand, which is really an international brand, seems to require that the company board and senior managers be replaced and the company be split into Jetstar, Domestic and International. All should be set loose to go after the market they are good at without being tied to each other. I would rebrand the domestic business RedQ-The Nations Airline and drop the Spirit of Australia crap from international. You could have Qantas Fleet be reconstituted into an aircraft leasing and maintenance organisation to service all three. You could have FT & S or C&T reconstituted to provide safety and training to all three, with free movement between groups to those involved if they so chose. My views are also based on the issue of mergers, most big business mergers rarely succeed and decoupling or business damage is frequent despite M&A being considered hot activity, the Qantas experiment is to my view consistent with this outcome, it has not worked and both entities are a drag on the other.
More food for thought!
Qantas International has to survive it is part of who we are as Australians (other company's could have been but did not survive) and I am sure there would be very few Australians who would like to see it fail and dissappear. Yes and Geoff Dixon's the 'sky is falling act' is not going to work for the current CEO, you don't need a re-write of the Air Navigation or Qantas Sale Acts, you just go around them by reorganising back to the way things were then go for it! Could do worse.
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stop attributing the 'groups' costs to international, you may well find its one of the most profitable parts of the company. Even the frequent flyer and freight profits are off the back of international ops
After a couple of years (once the empire is built) the powers to be announce the yearly results for the group, highlighting, The frequent flyer division turning in a huge profit all of a sudden, which not too long ago was really part of Qantas International's profit results...
Could this be what is going on at Q? Certainly a way to make Q international suddenly look weaker to the market..
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Shon7
A couple of guys put together a few questions for Qantas management, I was hoping you could answer a few of them. Managements been a bit quiet with the responses.
Qantas engineers serve carrier with Jetstar cost questions | Plane Talking
A couple of guys put together a few questions for Qantas management, I was hoping you could answer a few of them. Managements been a bit quiet with the responses.
Qantas engineers serve carrier with Jetstar cost questions | Plane Talking