Qantas to reduce heavy maintenance labour by 60%
What is your point?
Jethro Gibbs:
Aside from your punishingly woeful grammar and spelling, what is your point?
You constantly snipe on this and other threads about the unions (the ALAEA in particular) and what a sh!t job they're doing.
What's the go? What are you trying to achieve?
If you're a member of one of the unions involved, how about talking to your local delegate or calling the office and asking for an update.
Would have thought the unions were working together looks like there not .
You constantly snipe on this and other threads about the unions (the ALAEA in particular) and what a sh!t job they're doing.
What's the go? What are you trying to achieve?
If you're a member of one of the unions involved, how about talking to your local delegate or calling the office and asking for an update.
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Shorten is a dog,he was happy to see sydney H.M. shut down because he thought there was going to be net gain in numbers for the AWU in avalon over sydney,the man didn't give a rats that Sydney's closing down would disrupt 450 family's ,as long as his union made an extra $400 per week in dues.
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This direction has been set since Alan Joyce filled Qantas upper management echelons with his mates. I remember Lyell Strambi at an employee roadshow saying he couldn't understand why there were 3 different heavy maintenance bases, just weeks after he started.
I can only guess, but would imagine the path for whats going on now has been set since AJ beat Borghetti for the top job and got his mates in to close the airline down bit by bit.
I can only guess, but would imagine the path for whats going on now has been set since AJ beat Borghetti for the top job and got his mates in to close the airline down bit by bit.
Please understand that the facilities review is being strung out because it maximises the pleasure of Qantas management.
Narcissists adore being sucked up to by State Governments who are desperate to preserve jobs.
They also adore the feeling of power that comes from creating fear, alarm, uncertainty and despondancy among their workforce.
Don't you understand that there can never be enough gratification for these people? They feed on your pain!
If you all agreed to a 50% salary cut, they would be after you the following week threatening you with replacement by Vietnamese. If the Vietnamese arrived, they would threaten them with replacement by even cheaper Burmese.
There is no other explanation for the continuous Qantas policy of long drawn out and highly public reviews of facilities, staff numbers and working arrangements other than managements sheer enjoyment of this process.
Professionally managed companies, on the other hand, do this in private and make their eventual decisions in a way to minimise employee emotional pain and suffering.
Narcissists adore being sucked up to by State Governments who are desperate to preserve jobs.
They also adore the feeling of power that comes from creating fear, alarm, uncertainty and despondancy among their workforce.
Don't you understand that there can never be enough gratification for these people? They feed on your pain!
If you all agreed to a 50% salary cut, they would be after you the following week threatening you with replacement by Vietnamese. If the Vietnamese arrived, they would threaten them with replacement by even cheaper Burmese.
There is no other explanation for the continuous Qantas policy of long drawn out and highly public reviews of facilities, staff numbers and working arrangements other than managements sheer enjoyment of this process.
Professionally managed companies, on the other hand, do this in private and make their eventual decisions in a way to minimise employee emotional pain and suffering.
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Sunfish. It is managements job to have an efficient workplace. The monumental failure of management is their inept ability to manage its staff .Therefore their benchmark is to offshore all Heavy maintenance. It is well known that they resent the strong opinions of the Melbourne Lames, even suggesting that the militancy is due to the legacy of AA.
Leadership that inspires staff to embrace change or help make change is surely lacking due to the system that embraces yes men and promotes people who for lack of their own vision are encouraged to toe the line without question.
One manager has said to me " it's not what I think or believe, but what I have to say"
In other words middle management are forced to go against what they may reason is correct, in order to keep their positions.
Perhaps as a work force we question too much the decision of management, however you can look at this as a disadvantage or a strength.
I personally see it as a strength.
Millions died in the WW1 in part as no one questioned the stupidity of the decisions made by blundering generals. 50 yrs or so later lives were saved in the Vietnam war by people saying " What the fcuk are we doing here"
Ironacly the people who know the business the best are often silenced by the the Management who think they should know best ! As that is their job.
For goodness sake, as a leader you don't have to know everything ! But you do have to have an ability to foster a team that comes up with the best answer to the problem.
I do not believe that the dragging out of the decision is due to the sycophant personality of management that you suggest. I think it is more due to the influences of politics and perhaps the inherent thought that their initial decision may not necessarily be the best.
Time will tell !
Leadership that inspires staff to embrace change or help make change is surely lacking due to the system that embraces yes men and promotes people who for lack of their own vision are encouraged to toe the line without question.
One manager has said to me " it's not what I think or believe, but what I have to say"
In other words middle management are forced to go against what they may reason is correct, in order to keep their positions.
Perhaps as a work force we question too much the decision of management, however you can look at this as a disadvantage or a strength.
I personally see it as a strength.
Millions died in the WW1 in part as no one questioned the stupidity of the decisions made by blundering generals. 50 yrs or so later lives were saved in the Vietnam war by people saying " What the fcuk are we doing here"
Ironacly the people who know the business the best are often silenced by the the Management who think they should know best ! As that is their job.
For goodness sake, as a leader you don't have to know everything ! But you do have to have an ability to foster a team that comes up with the best answer to the problem.
I do not believe that the dragging out of the decision is due to the sycophant personality of management that you suggest. I think it is more due to the influences of politics and perhaps the inherent thought that their initial decision may not necessarily be the best.
Time will tell !
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In today Geelong advertiser,employee are feeling frustrated with what qantas is doing to them,the morale of all qantas employees are so low even passengers are questioning the check instaff to what qf is doing to their employees ,what a way to advertise qf,qf is bleeding and AJ has cause enough damage,all employees should voice out their opinion and start questioning their management,today it is maintenance,tomorrow other department will be targeted,all unions should now joined together and save qantas
Now reported by the AGE:
Qantas to sack 400 at Tullamarine: report
May 1, 2012 - 1:36AM
Qantas is set to axe 400 employees working in its heavy maintenance base at Tullamarine while another 660 are at risk at Avalon, News Limited reports.
The report said a review conducted by the airline concluded that the division at Tullamarine could not be saved and must close within months.
It also found that Avalon, near Geelong, was not viable beyond two years without major state government investment.
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The report says the Tullamarine workers will be offered mining jobs in Western Australia during a careers information session at the hangar.
If the sackings go ahead it will continue a horror run of job losses in Victoria which include 350 jobs at Toyota, 50 workers sacked at rail operator Metro and, in March, Murray Goulburn Co-operative slashing 60 jobs by closing its milk powder drying operation.
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Read more: Qantas to sack 400 at Tullamarine: report
May 1, 2012 - 1:36AM
Qantas is set to axe 400 employees working in its heavy maintenance base at Tullamarine while another 660 are at risk at Avalon, News Limited reports.
The report said a review conducted by the airline concluded that the division at Tullamarine could not be saved and must close within months.
It also found that Avalon, near Geelong, was not viable beyond two years without major state government investment.
Advertisement: Story continues below
The report says the Tullamarine workers will be offered mining jobs in Western Australia during a careers information session at the hangar.
If the sackings go ahead it will continue a horror run of job losses in Victoria which include 350 jobs at Toyota, 50 workers sacked at rail operator Metro and, in March, Murray Goulburn Co-operative slashing 60 jobs by closing its milk powder drying operation.
AAP
Read more: Qantas to sack 400 at Tullamarine: report
There is a special place in Hell for The Qantas Board and Management.
The ABC have just published the following:
I can state categorically that the deliberate and premeditated announcements followed by feigned vacillation over the decision amounts to mental cruelty to its employees, both those that may be directly affected in Engineering and for the rest who can expect similar calculated cruelty when their time comes.
The "meta message" here is that Qantas regards its employees as beneath contempt, otherwise they would not do things this way. The excuse that they are in a bargaining war for State Govenment investment cuts no ice, since such discussions can and do get held in private.
If the Federal Government and opposition weren't composed of low life scum sucking filfth that enjoy the Qantas Chairmans lounge, they would call Qantas out over its behaviour and put a stop to it.
The ABC have just published the following:
Qantas is refusing to confirm or deny reports it is about to cut 400 heavy maintenance jobs at Melbourne airport.
In February the company announced it was reviewing maintenance operations at Tullamarine, Avalon and Brisbane.
This morning the airline released a statement saying its "significantly reduced" aircraft maintenance schedule means three maintenance bases are no longer needed.
The statement said a decision on how many jobs would go would be made by the middle of this month.
This morning, Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association spokesman Paul Cousins told the ABC no decision on the job cuts had yet been made.
But he said up to 500 jobs could be lost as Qantas consolidated its workforce from three maintenance facilities to two or possibly even one.
In February the company announced it was reviewing maintenance operations at Tullamarine, Avalon and Brisbane.
This morning the airline released a statement saying its "significantly reduced" aircraft maintenance schedule means three maintenance bases are no longer needed.
The statement said a decision on how many jobs would go would be made by the middle of this month.
This morning, Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association spokesman Paul Cousins told the ABC no decision on the job cuts had yet been made.
But he said up to 500 jobs could be lost as Qantas consolidated its workforce from three maintenance facilities to two or possibly even one.
The "meta message" here is that Qantas regards its employees as beneath contempt, otherwise they would not do things this way. The excuse that they are in a bargaining war for State Govenment investment cuts no ice, since such discussions can and do get held in private.
If the Federal Government and opposition weren't composed of low life scum sucking filfth that enjoy the Qantas Chairmans lounge, they would call Qantas out over its behaviour and put a stop to it.
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I have a heavy Diesel background in the mines, i'm telling you now, Qantas engineers wouldn't last one day out there. who's going to relocate to bumfu*k nowhere and spend weeks at a time away from family? . I'm moving from Victoria to Queensland , this state's had it.
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I've worked for 18 years out in the "real" world, QF land is a fairytail compared to the life of a mine maintenance worker. Seriously ... do you really need to ask? .
Don't get me wrong, i have a respect for most engineers who are very skilled, but well payed jobs in the maintenance fields are few and far between, only the experienced heavy fitters will get this work.
Don't get me wrong, i have a respect for most engineers who are very skilled, but well payed jobs in the maintenance fields are few and far between, only the experienced heavy fitters will get this work.
Frank the spanner.... Your a tool! 
You wouldn't last one hour working in the hangar, what with reading manuals and performing tasks that maintain the standards set from differing levels of compliance as well as knowing that the thousands who fly on the one aircraft your working on daily will perform flawlessly until its next check, dream on dirt digger fixer.......
You wouldn't last one hour working in the hangar, what with reading manuals and performing tasks that maintain the standards set from differing levels of compliance as well as knowing that the thousands who fly on the one aircraft your working on daily will perform flawlessly until its next check, dream on dirt digger fixer.......
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I work at H/M Tulla and after 30 years with the airline I am sick to death of all the lies, threats and being treated with contempt and then asked to do an engagement survey. After I get the boot I know that I will never fly qantas again.
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If qf does all jetstar maintenance in Australia ,all skills and jobs could be save,unions get one voice and save Victorian jobs,if u have to march to the parliment so be it,this about a skills that Australia will never get back once lost,the government is naive and they don't understand,