Qantas to reduce heavy maintenance labour by 60%
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"Have these fools any idea of what they are about to destroy?"
umm nope. 737 is the backbone of the fleet and they are hamstringing the heavy & tech maintenance that has many hundreds of years of experience.
umm nope. 737 is the backbone of the fleet and they are hamstringing the heavy & tech maintenance that has many hundreds of years of experience.
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Levels of stress that the CEO deemed required the grounding of an airline.
An excuse trotted out to the govinmint/media/public when it suited them best.
Correct Bumpfoh.
It makes perfect sense if you see the situation as two warring tribes. The CMT [Clifford Management Tribe] and the Engineering Tribe. For many, many years the ET ran Qantas in its own inimitable way. Flt Ops was a small subservient division of Engineering.
Now the CMT is taking over, suppressing opposition, asserting control. They don't understand you [or professional pilots, for that matter] and never will. They don't even want to understand.
It makes perfect sense if you see the situation as two warring tribes. The CMT [Clifford Management Tribe] and the Engineering Tribe. For many, many years the ET ran Qantas in its own inimitable way. Flt Ops was a small subservient division of Engineering.
Now the CMT is taking over, suppressing opposition, asserting control. They don't understand you [or professional pilots, for that matter] and never will. They don't even want to understand.
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yes 737 hm will go the way of mascot 747 hm....they did not care about the loss of exp people then and wont now....and dont forget the lies they told us back then that the hangars had to go to make a wider taxi way so domestic aircraft would be able to pass each other....lies lies
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These plans of management were set many years ago. They are slow baking the entire airline with Jetstar and their other start up companies. It is all in the name of lowering wages and conditions. We need to elect a labor Govt to stop it. Unfortunately we elected a Liberal Govt in Labor costumes.
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quotes nothing but lawyer speak that means nothing to union members.
Unfortunately we elected a Liberal Govt in Labor costumes.
With great respect Steve, the Australian Labor Party are working against the unions quietly but pretending to support you guys.. exactly the same way Tony Blair did in the UK... Like lemmings we just follow and allow it to happen.
I was living in the UK when this happened to my disgust.. last year it appeared the momentum against Clifford's plans were exposed in this clip,
then the wheels fell off... Shorten's double speak in this clip says it all... talk about sitting on the fence.
he says nothing but actually supports the Qantas management... quotes nothing but lawyer speak that means nothing to union members.
The unions were duped by Labor, no doubt about it... forget the FWA, it works against the workers of Australia and designed by Labor.
It's the same tactics as the UK, slow bake the the unions. There is plenty of evidence, Bill Shorten, Albo & Gillard sold you guys out last year.... The FWA appeal by the pilots which they should win is also being slow baked by the "legal eagles" attached to the system. They will twist the decision to support the FWA system and the business community leaders, in my view of course.
Union leaders of Australia have allowed Gillard to get off lightly because of it's close ties, they trusted them too much... (the same as the UK)
From another thread, for me sums up the real plan
The strategy is pretty obvious. Far Q Premium is still on. However, while they are shedding lots of employees in Australia they just can't talk about it out loud. Remember, 'the Asian strategy does not give rise to job losses in Australia'? They don't want any bad publicity like Toyota Australia, do they! It is still the plan, it's just gone underground.
Then, dirty work completed, up pops the new 787 base in Singapore, all sorted and ready to go. [What a surprise!].
Then, dirty work completed, up pops the new 787 base in Singapore, all sorted and ready to go. [What a surprise!].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52kT...osx5fFDdtlXEY=
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These plans of management were set many years ago. They are slow baking the entire airline with Jetstar and their other start up companies. It is all in the name of lowering wages and conditions. We need to elect a labor Govt to stop it. Unfortunately we elected a Liberal Govt in Labor costumes.
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purely labour-based, union dominated parties are on the nose everywhere, and have been for a long time.
To keep this on thread. This Govt. must enforce the intent of the Qantas sale act to prevent the wholesale destruction of our National airline. The Govt. have the tools to act but their masters won't let them. For HM this means an airline that bases its facilities onshore and can't set up a second airline with Qantas funds, routes, landing slots and support services to avoid the confines of the Act.
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Taxi vouchers?
Pardon my ignorance Jethro, but as far as I can see the person concerned was going to lose his seat preselection because of his previous efforts so he prostituted himself to his party's so called mortal enemy.
Pardon my ignorance Jethro, but as far as I can see the person concerned was going to lose his seat preselection because of his previous efforts so he prostituted himself to his party's so called mortal enemy.
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To add to the flavour of this discussion, is the Murdoch/News Corp (union hater) saga and the pollies. The same forces apply here. From the SMH
''I never asked a Prime Minister for anything,'' Rupert Murdoch told the Leveson inquiry in London last night.
Lead counsel for the inquiry Robert Jay had been trying to coax the media mogul into a confession that he had absolutely no intention of making: that the chairman of News Corporation, through his news outlets, exercised undue influence on politics and politicians. That democratically elected Prime Ministers were captive in Mr Murdoch's petting zoo.
Mr Murdoch's statement to the inquiry was intended as complete rebuttal.
But truth is there could be no more succinct or categorical acknowledgement of Mr Murdoch's power.
Being manifestly powerful means not having to ask. Politics knows what you want and what you need, and what you can do by way of retribution when thwarted.
The relationship between politicians and media barons is always a delicate exercise in counterpoise. Hence the sound of those coat-tails trailing deferentially before you.
Ask? Why ask, when everybody already knows what the transaction is. And when, as Murdoch biographer Michael Wolff put it in The Guardian after Mr Murdoch's appearance last night: ''His business is so large, his resources so vast, his options so many, his minions so efficient, that it would not occur to him that he would need to do this.''
But that acknowledgement notwithstanding — that we are watching one of the most powerful media barons in the world denying his power, thereby subtly confirming it — is a lurking sense of nostalgia.
A sense that the covert power Mr Murdoch references has already peaked; that all this is a reflection on a past world. That a combination of the hacking scandal in the UK, the continuing internal pressure on Mr Murdoch within his own company to move past his old school love of newspapers, and the fragmentation of the media market is eroding everyone's hegemony in increments.
That no one quite directs the play any more: not the politicians, not the media owners — that the monster of their co-creation has bounded somehow, drowned in the cacophony of the internet or rendered valueless by the weary cynicism of the consumers of politics and news.
That things are not as they were, and never can be quite as they were, despite the implacable will of the mogul putting up with the interrogation at Leveson, because a sequence of events largely outside his control has left him with no other tenable option.
To sit at the table and be star of the flea circus.
Lead counsel for the inquiry Robert Jay had been trying to coax the media mogul into a confession that he had absolutely no intention of making: that the chairman of News Corporation, through his news outlets, exercised undue influence on politics and politicians. That democratically elected Prime Ministers were captive in Mr Murdoch's petting zoo.
Mr Murdoch's statement to the inquiry was intended as complete rebuttal.
But truth is there could be no more succinct or categorical acknowledgement of Mr Murdoch's power.
Being manifestly powerful means not having to ask. Politics knows what you want and what you need, and what you can do by way of retribution when thwarted.
The relationship between politicians and media barons is always a delicate exercise in counterpoise. Hence the sound of those coat-tails trailing deferentially before you.
Ask? Why ask, when everybody already knows what the transaction is. And when, as Murdoch biographer Michael Wolff put it in The Guardian after Mr Murdoch's appearance last night: ''His business is so large, his resources so vast, his options so many, his minions so efficient, that it would not occur to him that he would need to do this.''
But that acknowledgement notwithstanding — that we are watching one of the most powerful media barons in the world denying his power, thereby subtly confirming it — is a lurking sense of nostalgia.
A sense that the covert power Mr Murdoch references has already peaked; that all this is a reflection on a past world. That a combination of the hacking scandal in the UK, the continuing internal pressure on Mr Murdoch within his own company to move past his old school love of newspapers, and the fragmentation of the media market is eroding everyone's hegemony in increments.
That no one quite directs the play any more: not the politicians, not the media owners — that the monster of their co-creation has bounded somehow, drowned in the cacophony of the internet or rendered valueless by the weary cynicism of the consumers of politics and news.
That things are not as they were, and never can be quite as they were, despite the implacable will of the mogul putting up with the interrogation at Leveson, because a sequence of events largely outside his control has left him with no other tenable option.
To sit at the table and be star of the flea circus.
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A State Government spokeswoman said it was in talks with Qantas.
"Our discussions are continuing and it is disappointing that the AWU is
scaremongering while Qantas is making a decision," she said.
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