Qantas engine problem out of Canberra
Yeah!
Even reported today on Perth Radio 6PR, as the pilot got to Goulburn, realised that aircraft wasn't with him, so he turned around and went back to CB.....and, of course ....landed safely!!....on ONE 'propeller'...so it was reported.
I reeally fort fat most of dem pilots landed on a cupla 'weels'.....
Slow news day....
Even reported today on Perth Radio 6PR, as the pilot got to Goulburn, realised that aircraft wasn't with him, so he turned around and went back to CB.....and, of course ....landed safely!!....on ONE 'propeller'...so it was reported.
I reeally fort fat most of dem pilots landed on a cupla 'weels'.....
Slow news day....
QLink shutdowns
Qantas plane turns back after engine fails
so there has been;
1) a 400 into Weipa
http://www.torresnews.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=872%3Aemergency-landing-drama&Itemid=59
2) a 300 into Brisbane
faulty oil pressure indication
3) a 200 into Lord Howe Island
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/10/19/qantas-turbo-prop-emergency-at-lord-howe-island/
4) a 400 into Cloncurry
FADEC fail
5) a 400 into Brisbane?
failure at top of descent
6) now a 400 out of Canberra
Qantas plane turns back after engine fails
Granted the Weipa one was back in 2008, but the last 5 have all been in the last 6 months or so.
Whats going on??
so there has been;
1) a 400 into Weipa
http://www.torresnews.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=872%3Aemergency-landing-drama&Itemid=59
2) a 300 into Brisbane
faulty oil pressure indication
3) a 200 into Lord Howe Island
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/10/19/qantas-turbo-prop-emergency-at-lord-howe-island/
4) a 400 into Cloncurry
FADEC fail
5) a 400 into Brisbane?
failure at top of descent
6) now a 400 out of Canberra
Qantas plane turns back after engine fails
Granted the Weipa one was back in 2008, but the last 5 have all been in the last 6 months or so.
Whats going on??
............hey 'bloggsie' I think 99% of the population would know that the 'plane' in question here would belong to the 'aero' family
Although make one land with no wheels then it could very well do some 'shaving' of the tarmac:-)
I read the hapless pax would be re booked on the next flight, all 74 of them I assume back in another Dash 8 with it's original booked pax, could be cosy:-)
Anyway am surprised this thread is actually running, after all it is about QF & we can't have that now can we!
Wmk2
Although make one land with no wheels then it could very well do some 'shaving' of the tarmac:-)I read the hapless pax would be re booked on the next flight, all 74 of them I assume back in another Dash 8 with it's original booked pax, could be cosy:-)
Anyway am surprised this thread is actually running, after all it is about QF & we can't have that now can we!
Wmk2
Troo Wal,
Wot was suprising is that this 'news item' was repeated throughout the afternoon in PERTH!!
Like, its really NEWS or sumphin'??
NO kindergarden / oldies nursing home involved, a 'normal' S/E ldg one would assume as nil 'other event' resulting from it ....the u/c remained 'attached'.....everyone 'deplaned' (That's 'got the splinters out'...) normally and safely.... Crew got to go home safely.....
Where's the actual NEWS in the public interest???
Perhaps the item should have read something like, 'Despite having one propeller stopped (Journo's phrase...) this QANTAS employed pilot exercised his skill and training in the true QANTAS tradition and brought his stricken aircraft in to land safely, in truly adverse conditions'.....
Now, something like that COULD be 'blown out' to a whole column on a 'slow news' day I reckon....
Any 'creative' takers??
Wot was suprising is that this 'news item' was repeated throughout the afternoon in PERTH!!
Like, its really NEWS or sumphin'??
NO kindergarden / oldies nursing home involved, a 'normal' S/E ldg one would assume as nil 'other event' resulting from it ....the u/c remained 'attached'.....everyone 'deplaned' (That's 'got the splinters out'...) normally and safely.... Crew got to go home safely.....
Where's the actual NEWS in the public interest???
Perhaps the item should have read something like, 'Despite having one propeller stopped (Journo's phrase...) this QANTAS employed pilot exercised his skill and training in the true QANTAS tradition and brought his stricken aircraft in to land safely, in truly adverse conditions'.....
Now, something like that COULD be 'blown out' to a whole column on a 'slow news' day I reckon....
Any 'creative' takers??
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When did this happen? Yesterday evening (Friday about 7pm) a Q400 came in and made all sorts of weird noises when the props went into beta.
They were also doing full power runs on a Q400 around 11pm at the maintenance base there.
They were also doing full power runs on a Q400 around 11pm at the maintenance base there.
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For once it seems that the event has been given proper attention - a short, fact based item without sensationalised passenger descriptions or half a page of "Qantas planes have recently ......." etc.
Heard about the incident from a friend a looked it up online - noticed that the piece had been moved off the page just a few hours later. Surely this is roughly the attention such items deserve - a straightforward report that says it happened, was dealt with by the crew and now everything's back to normal. It's news because it's mildly out-of-the-ordinary, not because some wannabe pilot hack journo tried to take it up a few notches with vivid yet impossibly inaccurate third party descriptions and an attempted link to any other incident with a red tail involved.
Heard about the incident from a friend a looked it up online - noticed that the piece had been moved off the page just a few hours later. Surely this is roughly the attention such items deserve - a straightforward report that says it happened, was dealt with by the crew and now everything's back to normal. It's news because it's mildly out-of-the-ordinary, not because some wannabe pilot hack journo tried to take it up a few notches with vivid yet impossibly inaccurate third party descriptions and an attempted link to any other incident with a red tail involved.
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nearest suitable
Would any of the Dash 8s have sufficient performance OEI to go around from short finals at CBR?
If not, does that make CBR the "nearest suitable airport" for an OEI landing?
If not, does that make CBR the "nearest suitable airport" for an OEI landing?
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The Q400 can take-off on RWY35 at MTOW/32C/Bleeds On/Nil Headwind, cop an engine failure at V1 and keep going.
Runway is ~3,300m long so there's the added benefit of that distance from the limiting obstacle as well.
Runway is ~3,300m long so there's the added benefit of that distance from the limiting obstacle as well.
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Hey 4dogs, (you don't happen to work for a certain ATR operator on the E coast do you..?! - Just kidding!)
It looks like the Q400 loses about ~450kg per 2C above 32C
Don't know about the 100 (you could probably guarantee it'd be worse than a 2/300) but...
Max temp at CBR RWY 35 - nil wind/MTOW (bleeds off for 200/300)
- 200: 24C (MTOW ~16500kg)
- 300: Can't do MTOW unless 2C and headwind of 20kt (for comparison, at 24C and nil wind MTOW ~18600kg)
It looks like the Q400 loses about ~450kg per 2C above 32C
Don't know about the 100 (you could probably guarantee it'd be worse than a 2/300) but...
Max temp at CBR RWY 35 - nil wind/MTOW (bleeds off for 200/300)
- 200: 24C (MTOW ~16500kg)
- 300: Can't do MTOW unless 2C and headwind of 20kt (for comparison, at 24C and nil wind MTOW ~18600kg)
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Canberra is for the 35 ILS-Y:
MIN MAP GRAD 5.0% TO 3200FT THEN 2.5%
One of the steepest, if not steepest in Southern Hemisphere
MIN MAP GRAD 5.0% TO 3200FT THEN 2.5%
One of the steepest, if not steepest in Southern Hemisphere
5% = 2.86 degrees, i.e. slightly less than the ILS you just came down. To put it in perspective, the 34L Katoomba One Departure out of Sydney requires a gradient of 5.9% to 2500' and a full [max ZFW] 747 going to Singapore will do that at reasonable temperatures [up to 30 degrees at least] on 3 engines.
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CB MAPs
The CB ILS-Y has a 2170ft minima for the 5% MAP gradient but CB also has an ILS-Z with a minima of 2300 for a 3.3% MAP climb or even a minima of 2440 if you can only achieve 2.5%.
You look in the book and work out what you can achieve on the day with weather, weight and flap setting etc.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand, does seem like a lot of engine failures in recent times. Any common themes?
You look in the book and work out what you can achieve on the day with weather, weight and flap setting etc.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand, does seem like a lot of engine failures in recent times. Any common themes?
Probably more due to them now having 24 Q400s at what, 2000hrs per year at least?
Thick end of 50,000hrs per year plus some engines around 10,000hrs = law of averages.
Q400 is finicky at best, especially the non Next Gen which the majority of the QF fleet are.
Not sure how many of these have been "engine go bang" instances, certainly the electric bits have bad days and the guys have a QRH for the light or message and they follow it. Remember this is QantasLink - independent thought is prohibited - QRH says shutdown, you shut down - or pineapples follow - had enough very good driver mates f@cked over for using common sense and good system knowledge.
Thick end of 50,000hrs per year plus some engines around 10,000hrs = law of averages.
Q400 is finicky at best, especially the non Next Gen which the majority of the QF fleet are.
Not sure how many of these have been "engine go bang" instances, certainly the electric bits have bad days and the guys have a QRH for the light or message and they follow it. Remember this is QantasLink - independent thought is prohibited - QRH says shutdown, you shut down - or pineapples follow - had enough very good driver mates f@cked over for using common sense and good system knowledge.
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CBR has always been a favorite place to lose a donk, for a start the beer is colder, the hotels are warmer, and you can always go to the War Memorial to see blokes that really lost a donk. Yeah, we never minded losing a donk in CBR.