No deal for Qantas and pilots
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Is anyone, anyone, surprised by this? If so, you must seriously be living in 'cloud cuckoo land'. This is EXACTLY what Qantas has wanted all along. FWA will never force the job security clauses on QF. Never. QF may face some difficult questions and discomfort during discovery but so will AIPA. I predict about 3%/year with a few piddly productivity changes as an offset. The only really interesting issue will be the length of the deal. I believe they can make it up to five years? Is that five years from the end of the previous EBA, or five years from the date of the arbitration? I suppose it doesn't matter much- most QF international flying will be based offshore by the end of the agreement in either case.
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Looking ahead
I like the thought of playing Joyce at his own game. So once the wheeling and dealing is done and dusted, an agreement is eventually reached among the unions and the paperwork is settled, then get even - refuse overtime, do not go above and beyond what you get paid to do, if you can complete a task in a less efficient manner then go for it, don't extend duty time, slow down that inbound approach to a crawl and miss that curfew, pushback late and miss that slot time, imitate managements lack of good will. They wont expect that after an agreement is reached, so let them know that people's memories are not short. Bend them over and deliver a colossal pineapple, they deserve nothing less.
I would even suggest placing an effigy of AJ, Cliffy and the other gimps inside each sign-on room so crew can slap it with a shoe prior to commencing every shift, that would lift morale.
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k him, the Board, their bonuses and their neighbors dogs.
I would even suggest placing an effigy of AJ, Cliffy and the other gimps inside each sign-on room so crew can slap it with a shoe prior to commencing every shift, that would lift morale.
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k him, the Board, their bonuses and their neighbors dogs.
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Good post, Cactus.
On a (slightly) similar theme, there have been a couple of posts on Q-proon with guys saying they're resigning from the 'Advisory Committee'.
You have got to be sh*!!ing me. These committees are VOLUNTARY! Guys have been volunteering their own time to go in to the office for meetings in order to help management pilots do their job. QF made $500 million last year and they rely on pilots to VOLUNTEER to help them out. As a group, we are absolutely pathetic. Here's an idea- if you want to volunteer for something, ring the salvos.
When it comes to work, go to work, sign on, do your job exactly as required- nothing more, nothing less- sign off, go home. Don't answer the phone if the number is blocked. That's it.
On a (slightly) similar theme, there have been a couple of posts on Q-proon with guys saying they're resigning from the 'Advisory Committee'.
You have got to be sh*!!ing me. These committees are VOLUNTARY! Guys have been volunteering their own time to go in to the office for meetings in order to help management pilots do their job. QF made $500 million last year and they rely on pilots to VOLUNTEER to help them out. As a group, we are absolutely pathetic. Here's an idea- if you want to volunteer for something, ring the salvos.
When it comes to work, go to work, sign on, do your job exactly as required- nothing more, nothing less- sign off, go home. Don't answer the phone if the number is blocked. That's it.
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with guys saying they're resigning from the 'Advisory Committee'.
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QF made $500 million last year and they rely on pilots to VOLUNTEER to help them out.
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QF made $500 million last year and they rely on pilots to VOLUNTEER to help them out.
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nt is eventually reached among the unions and the paperwork is settled, then get even - refuse overtime, do not go above and beyond what you get paid to do, if you can complete a task in a less efficient manner then go for it, don't extend duty time, slow down that inbound approach to a crawl and miss that curfew, pushback late and miss that slot time, imitate managements lack of good will
Great idea Cactus..........that way jobs can be offshored even more quickly than planned.
The hand in which so so happily s..t........is still the one that feeds you......like it or not !
You are stuck in the stone age of aviation where we, pilots, could claim just about anything we wanted.
Not no more today. Market price is the rule with EK, .....etc calling the shots and legacy airlines trying to keep up.
You can pull your hair and scream, you will have to bend over.......one way or another which is exactly why I urge younger people not to embrace this profession.
It once was fun, was financially and socially rewarding. It just isn't anymore and no parading with red ties is going to change that.
You want to go down with style ? Be my guest.
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In this clip Tony Abbott admits there is something wrong with the FWA legislation, a no brainer Tony. It's a lawyers playground, each taking turns to shake the money tree.
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Tony has a solution. It's called workchoices.
Barry Jackson speaks to Bloomberg/Washington Post today, for the record...
For those using firefox, suggest click on the title and view video on youtube page. it has been reported some bug stops it working properly on the pprune page window.
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Are you serious? Surely you jest?
If you have a problem with this, I guess I'll await a scathing post from you regarding DP Sams role in facilitating bargaining for the TWU and Qantas, given his previous role as Unions NSW Secretary.
I personally don't see an issue with any of the FWA Members being used for the different disputes. They are all experienced and senior members. Like I said in an earlier post, most if not all are connected somehow or other to something that could be seen as a perceived conflict, but FWA, like it's predecessors (AIRC, ACAC, CCCA) have had appointments that have leaned different ways.
