Red Q - Dead in the water?
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While we're on rumours....
This week I heard that as soon as the first lot of 3 class A380s are delivered, they are going in to get reconfigured........to 4 class!!!!
This week I heard that as soon as the first lot of 3 class A380s are delivered, they are going in to get reconfigured........to 4 class!!!!
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The fleet Captain will be welcomed back by management and probably promoted out of seniority to a better paying fleet.
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A senior manager wrote that JG's little Asian sojourn was a great example of the opportunities that would open up for Qantas pilots.
So....leave QF as a fleet manager, piss off to Asia for six weeks, start a type endorsement, get screwed over by management incompetence and come home again, chastened and poorer for the experience. Yep, sounds like a typical QF 'opportunity'.
So....leave QF as a fleet manager, piss off to Asia for six weeks, start a type endorsement, get screwed over by management incompetence and come home again, chastened and poorer for the experience. Yep, sounds like a typical QF 'opportunity'.
RE: Wifi, don't hold your breath. B767 trial on OGH is on hold due contractual issues, I'm told.
Why would you possibly refurb a B767?????? The things are too narrow to do a decent first class or business class. They were always too narrow from the start.
All QF's competitors have to do to beat them is operate wide body aircraft in competition.
All QF's competitors have to do to beat them is operate wide body aircraft in competition.
The B767's have always had more appeal to the passengers than the B737 so if management are keeping them until 2020, then a full cabin refurb with the latest standard of seating and IFE is essential. It might be worth looking at blended winglets again to reduce the fuel burn - this may cause a few issues at some of the domestic bays though.
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Of course JG will get an out-of-seniority promotion. Can you imagine the tension on any 76 flight deck he was to... oh yeah, command. Look what happened to the previous 76 fleet manager, DT. He got videoed on the bonnet of someones car with an office girl and now he is on the 380 and a company EA negotiator. He's a latter day Lord Flashart. Whoof!
I guess the problem or irony is that the girl with the intimate knowledge of the carpark in question was part of the 'new' Qantas that was making extraordinary efforts to engage its workforce as it was impossible for things to continue as badly as they were.
After being told that we had all heard this nonsense from overpaid incompetent magagers before and that nothing would change she argued vehemently we just didnt understand how seriously the company wanted to change and that we were very wrong to be so cynical and mistrusting.
She was, in the end correct and we were wrong!
After being done over by the pilot in question she was done over by management when she lost her job very shortly afterwards. None of us really expected THAT to happen!
I do know she found the Qf culture quite loathsome - and that was before most people realised there was a major problem
After being told that we had all heard this nonsense from overpaid incompetent magagers before and that nothing would change she argued vehemently we just didnt understand how seriously the company wanted to change and that we were very wrong to be so cynical and mistrusting.
She was, in the end correct and we were wrong!
After being done over by the pilot in question she was done over by management when she lost her job very shortly afterwards. None of us really expected THAT to happen!
I do know she found the Qf culture quite loathsome - and that was before most people realised there was a major problem
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Gee how things have changed, in our day we at least got in the car in the carpark, if we were going to commit a act of well, you know. That carpark could tell some stories and then some.
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Again, on the topic of rumours...I hear ALL of the 767s are for sale. The only reason I think this mob would be considering refurbing the 767s is for a little detailing and upgrade before they're sold off. I mean, why else would OGV, the flashest of the fleet, be confirmed to be up for sale. Go figure.
Hey, anyone know anyone with an aircraft leasing business who might want 'em?
Hey, anyone know anyone with an aircraft leasing business who might want 'em?
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Forget the carpark, if you can manage a 'Gone In 60 Seconds' act then an aerobridge after last flight and before the Gingerbeers jump onboard does the trick!
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Strambi on 767 plans from Aust Business Traveller
Jetstar will be the first Australian airline to fly the 787, from the middle of 2013, ... and as each 787 arrives Jetstar will hand its Airbus A330s over to Qantas for domestic use (in turn, Qantas will retire its aging and less fuel-efficient Boeing 767s).
“Internationally Jetstar needs the 787 in the short term and Qantas domestic needs it in the long term” Strambi says, “so in the longer term we have the option to swing the 787-8 back into the domestic space when we retire the A330 fleet.”
“Internationally Jetstar needs the 787 in the short term and Qantas domestic needs it in the long term” Strambi says, “so in the longer term we have the option to swing the 787-8 back into the domestic space when we retire the A330 fleet.”
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red Q may or may not be a goer now.Who knows?
The Red Q news when released was used as an industrial tactic imho to bolster the 'were going broke internationally' sob story.
I have no issue with expansion into Asia IF it is done conservatively without hubris and the with very good partners. Those relationships are hard won.
Same for Jetstar.No problem. Qantas need jetstar as a foil to other entrants. But the use of it as a wedge to use against its employees is the ugly part.
The Red Q news when released was used as an industrial tactic imho to bolster the 'were going broke internationally' sob story.
I have no issue with expansion into Asia IF it is done conservatively without hubris and the with very good partners. Those relationships are hard won.
Same for Jetstar.No problem. Qantas need jetstar as a foil to other entrants. But the use of it as a wedge to use against its employees is the ugly part.
The latest spin. Are these people serious?
Qantas sticks with Asia's well-heeled
Right, so to capitalise on that Qantas is going to continue to cripple its premium brand and focus on the cheap brand.
Right, so Qantas has just decided to change its mind has it? Do they actually have a plan?
Oh give me a break. 
This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long time.
Chinese visitors are pouring into Australia. And we know that Chinese travellers rate prestige brands and safety as among their top travel priorities.
Qantas now favours setting up a base for a premium airline in Malaysia’s capital Kuala Lumpur, partly due to the fact it will involve less capital investment
And we are increasingly getting invitations from potential Asian partners to bring our aviation expertise in both premium and low-fares airlines into this exciting marketplace.
This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long time.
Nunc est bibendum
Chinese visitors are 'pouring into Australia' and what do we offer them? Daily from Shanghai to Sydney and that's it. (I don't classify Hong Kong SAR as 'China' per se).How about Beijing? How about other Australian cities?
I also like the fact that despite 90 years of tradition and excellence, they have 'two great airline brands in Qantas and Jetstar' despite J* being a no frills carrier less than a decade old.
Perhaps with this tie up with MAS though we may finally return to KL.
I also like the fact that despite 90 years of tradition and excellence, they have 'two great airline brands in Qantas and Jetstar' despite J* being a no frills carrier less than a decade old.
Perhaps with this tie up with MAS though we may finally return to KL.
Alan Joyce - One Stupid B?
Alan is "Convinced" Qantas has a big future in Asia.
You just don't get it do you Alan?
I said in an earlier post that any profits from such an operation are going to be made by Asians and stay in Asia. Should you, by some stretch of the imagination, succeed in building some operation that turns out to be wildly profitable you will be seen in China as just another Western speculator taking advantage of the Chinese people.
The consequences of that Alan should by now be very plain to you; put simply, the Chinese will take your operation from you.
They will do it like the Vietnamese did and take it over:
Vietnam Airlines to absorb budget carrier Jetstar - Economy - VietNam News
They will jail your employees:
Vietnam arrests ex-airline CEO and investigates others - CNN.com
Or they will wait till they get their hand on you and throw you in the clink until you sell your baby back to them. Both of these business people turned a Chinese sows ear into a silk purse. This is how they were rewarded:
China jails Australian businessman for 13 years | Herald Sun
Australian businesswoman falls foul of China's legal system
You don't understand do you Alan? China feels it has been exploited for Three hundred years by the Western World - read about the opium wars. Any Western business that thinks it is going to drag large profits out of China these days is seen and treated as an exploiter of the people and treated accordingly.
Your only hope is to pay off the Chinese (illegal under Australian law) or form a joint venture where you take all the risk and the Chinese "partners" come along for the ride.
However in either case you are not going to be repatriating bags of Chinese gold to the waiting Qantas shareholders - you simply will not be allowed.
QANTAS chief executive Alan Joyce is convinced the future of travel in Asia, the world's fastest-growing market, is as much about premium airlines as budget carriers.
A week after he quashed speculation that Qantas was about to walk away from plans to set up a premium airline in south-east Asia, Mr Joyce told a conference in Sydney yesterday that within two decades 16 per cent of the world's middle class would be in east Asia.
''We are convinced the future of Asia is not just about low-fare airline travel,'' he said.
''Chinese visitors are pouring into Australia. And we know that Chinese travellers rate prestige brands and safety as among their top travel priorities.''
His comments came as China Southern's president, Tan Wan'geng, told a gathering on the Gold Coast that Australia was a ''focal point'' for the airline's global operations.
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Mr Joyce said the demand for high-end travel was why a cornerstone of Qantas' international strategy was to tap into the forecast growth in intra-Asia travel at the premium end of the market.
''Whatever happens in financial markets over the coming weeks and months, we know that Asia will continue to play a larger part in the global economy and a bigger role in the world,'' he said.
Although it remains in talks with authorities in Singapore, Qantas favours setting up a base for a premium airline in Kuala Lumpur as it will involve less capital investment.
Central to whether its plans get off the ground will be talks with Malaysia Airlines and Tony Fernandes, the boss of AirAsia, about forging deeper alliances and launching a new carrier.
''We are increasingly getting invitations from potential Asian partners to bring our aviation expertise in both premium and low-fares airlines into this exciting marketplace,'' Mr Joyce said.
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Mr Joyce again apologised for the impact on the tourism sector of his decision to ground Qantas' domestic and international fleet on October 29 but said that it ''was the only way to bring to an end to industrial action''.
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Read more: Qantas | Asia | Alan Joyce
A week after he quashed speculation that Qantas was about to walk away from plans to set up a premium airline in south-east Asia, Mr Joyce told a conference in Sydney yesterday that within two decades 16 per cent of the world's middle class would be in east Asia.
''We are convinced the future of Asia is not just about low-fare airline travel,'' he said.
''Chinese visitors are pouring into Australia. And we know that Chinese travellers rate prestige brands and safety as among their top travel priorities.''
His comments came as China Southern's president, Tan Wan'geng, told a gathering on the Gold Coast that Australia was a ''focal point'' for the airline's global operations.
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Mr Joyce said the demand for high-end travel was why a cornerstone of Qantas' international strategy was to tap into the forecast growth in intra-Asia travel at the premium end of the market.
''Whatever happens in financial markets over the coming weeks and months, we know that Asia will continue to play a larger part in the global economy and a bigger role in the world,'' he said.
Although it remains in talks with authorities in Singapore, Qantas favours setting up a base for a premium airline in Kuala Lumpur as it will involve less capital investment.
Central to whether its plans get off the ground will be talks with Malaysia Airlines and Tony Fernandes, the boss of AirAsia, about forging deeper alliances and launching a new carrier.
''We are increasingly getting invitations from potential Asian partners to bring our aviation expertise in both premium and low-fares airlines into this exciting marketplace,'' Mr Joyce said.
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Mr Joyce again apologised for the impact on the tourism sector of his decision to ground Qantas' domestic and international fleet on October 29 but said that it ''was the only way to bring to an end to industrial action''.
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Read more: Qantas | Asia | Alan Joyce
I said in an earlier post that any profits from such an operation are going to be made by Asians and stay in Asia. Should you, by some stretch of the imagination, succeed in building some operation that turns out to be wildly profitable you will be seen in China as just another Western speculator taking advantage of the Chinese people.
The consequences of that Alan should by now be very plain to you; put simply, the Chinese will take your operation from you.
They will do it like the Vietnamese did and take it over:
Vietnam Airlines to absorb budget carrier Jetstar - Economy - VietNam News
They will jail your employees:
Vietnam arrests ex-airline CEO and investigates others - CNN.com
Or they will wait till they get their hand on you and throw you in the clink until you sell your baby back to them. Both of these business people turned a Chinese sows ear into a silk purse. This is how they were rewarded:
China jails Australian businessman for 13 years | Herald Sun
Australian businesswoman falls foul of China's legal system
You don't understand do you Alan? China feels it has been exploited for Three hundred years by the Western World - read about the opium wars. Any Western business that thinks it is going to drag large profits out of China these days is seen and treated as an exploiter of the people and treated accordingly.
Your only hope is to pay off the Chinese (illegal under Australian law) or form a joint venture where you take all the risk and the Chinese "partners" come along for the ride.
However in either case you are not going to be repatriating bags of Chinese gold to the waiting Qantas shareholders - you simply will not be allowed.
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Looks like the Malaysians aren't the slightest bit interested.
Qantas ignored in new Malaysia Airlines strategies | Plane Talking
Qantas ignored in new Malaysia Airlines strategies | Plane Talking
There was a press conference in Kuala Lumpur yesterday in which Malaysia Airlines announced major strategic moves, during which some of those present can’t recall Qantas being mentioned even once.
There is going to be full Malaysia Airlines membership of the Oneworld alliance in the second half of next year, there is going to be a new Malaysia Airlines owned unnamed premium regional brand operating Boeing 737-800s, there are going to be new synergies between Malaysia Airlines and Air Asia and its ‘X’ branded low cost long rangers, and …. no-one said a word about Qantas.
Yet Qantas has ordered or optioned up to 110 Airbus A320s specifically for its grand Asia plans.
Caution: No-one said a word about Qantas within earshot of some of those who reported the news extensively in Malaysia and SE Asia and China. It is possible that the assembled management identities from both Malaysia flag carriers held a special love-in during which they pledged their gratitude and loyalty to Qantas for offering to teach them how to do a premium Asia based carrier and be hugely successful flying to London (oops!) and confirmed that they couldn’t wait to give away part of that new business success to a Qantas sham pretending to be a Malaysia flag carrier set up to channel money to a Qantas long haul operation that through no fault of their own is going down the toilet.
But if they did, it hasn’t seen daylight yet.
There is going to be full Malaysia Airlines membership of the Oneworld alliance in the second half of next year, there is going to be a new Malaysia Airlines owned unnamed premium regional brand operating Boeing 737-800s, there are going to be new synergies between Malaysia Airlines and Air Asia and its ‘X’ branded low cost long rangers, and …. no-one said a word about Qantas.
Yet Qantas has ordered or optioned up to 110 Airbus A320s specifically for its grand Asia plans.
Caution: No-one said a word about Qantas within earshot of some of those who reported the news extensively in Malaysia and SE Asia and China. It is possible that the assembled management identities from both Malaysia flag carriers held a special love-in during which they pledged their gratitude and loyalty to Qantas for offering to teach them how to do a premium Asia based carrier and be hugely successful flying to London (oops!) and confirmed that they couldn’t wait to give away part of that new business success to a Qantas sham pretending to be a Malaysia flag carrier set up to channel money to a Qantas long haul operation that through no fault of their own is going down the toilet.
But if they did, it hasn’t seen daylight yet.