Red Q - Dead in the water?
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Shorty , glad we are on the same wavelength. Just wanted to clarify my post and express my support.
QANTAS is still in talks regarding the establishment of a premium Asian airline.
Speaking to investors today, chief executive Alan Joyce said Qantas was working to return its international operations to profitability.
"We have announced our plans to invest in a premium airline based in Asia,'' he said.
"Talks continue, and it remains premature to make any announcements at this stage.
"Our aim is to position ourselves within the South East Asian marketplace in advance of planned aviation liberalisation.''
Within five years, Qantas planned to have a hub in Asia feeding traffic into the Qantas and Jetstar networks, Mr Joyce said.
"In five years time, and always, the Qantas Group will call Australia home, but increasingly we will be an efficient, multi-brand enterprise that is a flagship for Australian expertise and quality around the world,'' he said.
Mr Joyce again defended the airline's decision to ground its fleet in reaction to disputes with three unions, saying it had brought about an end to industrial action.
"We are confident that the industrial outcomes will be reasonable and will exclude the extreme claims that would have threatened our capacity to make the necessary transformation of our international business,'' Mr Joyce said.
But this is funnier.
Qantas nationalised. Public servant appointed as CEO on $38,000 still manages to run company at a loss
Read more: Headlines you may see in 2012
Qantas executives reiterated yesterday that talks were continuing about setting up an ultra-premium airline in south-east Asia.
Read more: Qantas dispute to drag on until June
Ultra-premium 
had not seen it described this way before, pretty scary that the current management could go this way, have any of them got the necessary experience, knowledge, understanding ? not when you look at the product they currently deliver.
had not seen it described this way before, pretty scary that the current management could go this way, have any of them got the necessary experience, knowledge, understanding ? not when you look at the product they currently deliver.Ultra: definition - extreme or extremely
ultra-expensive
ultra-modern architecture
ultra-sensitive
an ultra-short haircut
ultra-expensive
ultra-modern architecture
ultra-sensitive
an ultra-short haircut
(Definition of ultra- prefix from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)
Premium: definition - an amount which is more than usual
We're willing to pay a premium for the best location.
Because of their location, these offices attract a premium.
We're willing to pay a premium for the best location.
Because of their location, these offices attract a premium.
Definition of premium noun (EXTRA) from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)
JetStar Hong Kong perhaps!!
Hainan Airlines and Qantas watch-updated
December 10, 2011 – 7:42 am, by Ben Sandilands
Hainan Airlines and Qantas watch-updated
December 10, 2011 – 7:42 am, by Ben Sandilands
As recommended several times recently, keep a sharp eye on the activities of HNA Group and its airlines in particular Hainan Airlines and Hong Kong Express because of the strong interest in them shown by Qantas and Jetstar.
The latest development is a code sharing and points exchange deal between Hainan Airlines and American Airlines, which wouldn’t really be news in Australia were it not for the Qantas fascination with them, the fact that Hainan is reported to be keen on getting into Oneworld, and that Cathay Pacific is currently exhibiting paranoia as to all things HNA, its two Hong Kong based airlines in particular, its alliance ambitions and the ‘risk’ that Hong Kong Express might be rebranded Jetstar Hong Kong.
Although it has in the past been denied by Cathay Pacific, rumors that it would decamp Oneworld for the Star Alliance if Hainan muscles in on the club continue to circulate, no doubt because they have the force of compelling logic.
Let’s get a little bit ahead of ourselves here. Imagine for a moment just how more potent the Star Alliance would be in the Asia Pacific if both Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines were in it, and of course, how exciting that might be for those excited by such things if Virgin Australia also entered Star.
Just one of those Saturday morning surmises!
The latest development is a code sharing and points exchange deal between Hainan Airlines and American Airlines, which wouldn’t really be news in Australia were it not for the Qantas fascination with them, the fact that Hainan is reported to be keen on getting into Oneworld, and that Cathay Pacific is currently exhibiting paranoia as to all things HNA, its two Hong Kong based airlines in particular, its alliance ambitions and the ‘risk’ that Hong Kong Express might be rebranded Jetstar Hong Kong.
Although it has in the past been denied by Cathay Pacific, rumors that it would decamp Oneworld for the Star Alliance if Hainan muscles in on the club continue to circulate, no doubt because they have the force of compelling logic.
Let’s get a little bit ahead of ourselves here. Imagine for a moment just how more potent the Star Alliance would be in the Asia Pacific if both Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines were in it, and of course, how exciting that might be for those excited by such things if Virgin Australia also entered Star.
Just one of those Saturday morning surmises!
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JetStar Hong Kong perhaps!!
according to AJ latest presentation (ASX)there will be only 9 747 left in 2013.
looks like the rest goes to asia.
looks like the rest goes to asia.
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Merry Christmas Mr Joyce - Blakhatz - The Qantas Ballad of the GFC
But of course there will be a bunch of rogue managers who will have long since retired to Club Cloud Cuckoo Land with enough cash to see out their pathetic lives! (unless of course all fiat money collapses as well as most if not all of the world's banks along with a smattering of countries, thus leaving the former airline managers with nothing more than they started out life with - a naked ass and nothing else!) Bravo bravo....
The Qantas business strategy is now getting surreal.
There seems to be assumption piled on assumption.
This is not good.
There seems to be assumption piled on assumption.
This is not good.
Qantas nationalised. Public servant appointed as CEO on $38,000 still manages to run company at a loss
I hope you enjoy the finished version of my current video project, dedicated to all on here, and the Qantas staff who in my view, have to endure a dysfunctional management team, who appear to be outdated, clueless, directionless and seem only interested in their own back pocket wallet space....... so sad..
Merry Christmas Mr Joyce.....
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ps; I would like to thank all involved in the production of this video, donating their talent and time to support the pilots, engineers, cabin crew & staff at Q.
The force is with you..... and please share it around, I think it has a strong message that the punters will relate too.
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Qantas staff who in my view, have to endure a dysfunctional management team, who appear to be outdated, clueless, directionless and seem only interested in their own back pocket wallet space....... so sad..
You're right....... Keep the Faith. We'll all be around long after these dopes have been punted.
Malaysia better for Qantas Asian hub
Malaysia better for Qantas Asian hub - Airline News - etravelblackboard.com
Qantas should look at Malaysia over Singapore as a base for its joint venture premium airline in Asia if it is serious about cost saving and avoiding wasteful competition AirAsia chief Tony Fernandes said this week.
Currently in talks with Qantas and Malaysian Airlines over a three way alliance, Mr Fernandes spoke to The Australian Financial Review about the positives in Qantas choosing Malaysia for its Asian hub, outlining connectivity as the key.
"Singapore is the better business hub for sure, but the majority of Singapore traffic is transit traffic -- just like Dubai," Mr Fernandes said.
Qantas chief Alan Joyce announced the airline’s plans to reposition itself in the industry’s fastest growing region in advance of planned aviation liberalisation, with a five year forecast to have a hub in Asia feeding traffic into Qantas and budget airline Jetstar's networks.
Factors like the uncertainty over global economic conditions and volatile fuel prices have put talks on the backburner temporarily, but the airline was still considering Kuala Lumpur and Singapore as the most likely potential bases.
Former music industry executive Fernandes built AirAsia into one of the industry’s biggest success stories, reviving the airline to turn it into Asia's biggest budget carrier.
Currently in talks with Qantas and Malaysian Airlines over a three way alliance, Mr Fernandes spoke to The Australian Financial Review about the positives in Qantas choosing Malaysia for its Asian hub, outlining connectivity as the key.
"Singapore is the better business hub for sure, but the majority of Singapore traffic is transit traffic -- just like Dubai," Mr Fernandes said.
Qantas chief Alan Joyce announced the airline’s plans to reposition itself in the industry’s fastest growing region in advance of planned aviation liberalisation, with a five year forecast to have a hub in Asia feeding traffic into Qantas and budget airline Jetstar's networks.
Factors like the uncertainty over global economic conditions and volatile fuel prices have put talks on the backburner temporarily, but the airline was still considering Kuala Lumpur and Singapore as the most likely potential bases.
Former music industry executive Fernandes built AirAsia into one of the industry’s biggest success stories, reviving the airline to turn it into Asia's biggest budget carrier.
Malaysia better for Qantas Asian hub - Airline News - etravelblackboard.com
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Those that watched New Agenda tonight on Sky with David Speers interviewing Keating, would have been delighted at the backhander the master of put downs gave Joyce. He basically said, after Joyce pulled the switch on the closure of the company, that the unions should have sat on their hands and ordered the workers to do just that. He said that Joyce would suddenly find himself without anything, even if it took a couple of weeks, and nobody turned up, the shareholders would then have shafted him. He did not say how the workers would live during this time, but I guess for many it would be worth getting into any savings if they had to. No doubt this interview will be played tomorrow, but that is basically the gist of it. More than worth watching. He is still a cunning old bastard.
Loss-making national carrier Malaysia Airlines said it will cut eight routes to Europe, Africa, the Middle East and other destinations starting next month as it seeks to return to a profit.
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"Concurrently, Malaysia Airlines will focus on the core (Southeast Asia) region, South Asia, greater China and North Asia, where the demand outlook is strong, fuelled by a burgeoning middle class," the statement said.
Read more: Malaysia Airlines slashes routes in effort to cut costs
So, is there a tie in with QF?
Will there be a Red Q? or
Will Red Q have to compete with an established carrier out of KL ?
Will there be a Red Q? or
Will Red Q have to compete with an established carrier out of KL ?
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So, is there a tie in with QF?
Will there be a Red Q? or
Will Red Q have to compete with an established carrier out of KL ?
Will there be a Red Q? or
Will Red Q have to compete with an established carrier out of KL ?
have the QF management taken their eye off the ball back here in its Australian market.....?
I say they have, and it will take a long time to repair contrary to what AJ says, "only a short term thing...... "
Jane Ianniello, Roy Morgan Research International Director of Tourism, Travel & Leisure, says: “Qantas domestic customer satisfaction has fallen in October after grounding all its planes for days and causing major disruptions for 100,000 Australian air travellers. Although Qantas still has a small lead over Virgin Australia the gap is likely to close further in the coming months.
“The satisfaction rating for Virgin Australia fell in late September 2010 amongst both its leisure and business customers after their reservation and check-in system failed, affecting approximately 50,000 customers. Virgin Australia’s satisfaction rating has improved since then, and is likely to rise further with its quick response in putting on more flights during the Qantas industrial dispute.”
Press Release: Virgin Australia closing the gap on Qantas for Domestic Airline Satisfaction
“The satisfaction rating for Virgin Australia fell in late September 2010 amongst both its leisure and business customers after their reservation and check-in system failed, affecting approximately 50,000 customers. Virgin Australia’s satisfaction rating has improved since then, and is likely to rise further with its quick response in putting on more flights during the Qantas industrial dispute.”
Press Release: Virgin Australia closing the gap on Qantas for Domestic Airline Satisfaction
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One of the huge problems involved in a running a "group" operation - which often kills it, is the question of "playing favourites" between various members of the group.
This does at least Two things - it biases managers towards diverting resources towards the current favourite, - it destroys morale and performance among the parts of the group that aren't in favour.
The current poster child in Qantas is Jetstar and its overseas subsidiaries.
Qantas International is totally unloved. Qantas domestic is stuck somewhere in the middle. The effect on morale is predictable.
What then happens is that all middle management decisions get biased in favour of what the Board and senior management wants to hear. Hard nosed business management therefore takes a back seat to beauty contests.
Been there done that as a former "Group General Manager" in another industry myself. I was not doing what was best for the company, i was doing the best I could for me and my group. So were the other group General Managers.
This does at least Two things - it biases managers towards diverting resources towards the current favourite, - it destroys morale and performance among the parts of the group that aren't in favour.
The current poster child in Qantas is Jetstar and its overseas subsidiaries.
Qantas International is totally unloved. Qantas domestic is stuck somewhere in the middle. The effect on morale is predictable.
What then happens is that all middle management decisions get biased in favour of what the Board and senior management wants to hear. Hard nosed business management therefore takes a back seat to beauty contests.
Been there done that as a former "Group General Manager" in another industry myself. I was not doing what was best for the company, i was doing the best I could for me and my group. So were the other group General Managers.
Please explain ‘Malaysianisation’ of Qantas, pilots demand
Please explain ‘Malaysianisation’ of Qantas, pilots demand | e-Global Travel Media
The Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) is calling on Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce to explain comments by AirAsia chief Tony Fernandes, who mentioned the “Malaysianisation” of Qantas.
Fernandes told the Australian Financial Review that Qantas would be better off basing its Asian operations in Malaysia than Singapore, if it goes ahead with the premium carrier it plans to set up in the region. See our earlier story: KL makes sense as Qantas hub says AirAsia chief.
Fernandes, who has been referred to as ‘the Richard Branson of Asia’, told the paper that a Qantas operation based in Kuala Lumpur would be the wiser choice.
Now, the pilots want to know what Fernandes meant by a reference to the “Malaysianisation” of Qantas.
AIPA says Fernandes’ remarks follow “the apparent collapse of Mr Joyce’s ambitions to divert Qantas Group resources to a new so-called ‘Red Q’ airline in Singapore”.
AIPA vice president Captain Richard Woodward says Joyce has an obligation to tell the Australian public honestly what he is planning to do with Qantas in Malaysia.
“Mr Fernandes may be enthusiastic about the Malaysianisation of Qantas, but I don’t think most Australians would be,” Woodward said.
“Mr Joyce told shareholders it was ‘premature to make any announcements at this stage’ regarding his plans in Southeast Asia, yet his would-be business partner obviously thinks otherwise.
“What they are planning is just bad business for Qantas. Last week we saw the collapse of Jetstar Pacific in Southeast Asia after years of draining money from the Qantas Group. Now Mr Joyce wants to hitch our wagon even more tightly to high-risk Asian ventures?
“Tony Fernandes is entitled to push his agenda and, in fact, he’s probably got a lot to gain from Qantas diverting resources into Malaysia.
“But he’s telling Qantas to do one thing, while he himself does another. Mr Fernandes is quoted as saying: ‘Airlines that remain committed to their model will succeed.’”
“Well, that’s a view AIPA would certainly agree with. Qantas will succeed only if it focuses on the two things that have made it great: its Australian identity and its world standard-setting safety.”
Woodward is also calling for a full explanation of the relationship between Joyce and Fernandes after the latter was quoted as saying: “Alan always gave me cheap deals. I was never shy to ask for an upgrade and he was one of the few that gave it.”
Written by : William Sykes
Fernandes told the Australian Financial Review that Qantas would be better off basing its Asian operations in Malaysia than Singapore, if it goes ahead with the premium carrier it plans to set up in the region. See our earlier story: KL makes sense as Qantas hub says AirAsia chief.
Fernandes, who has been referred to as ‘the Richard Branson of Asia’, told the paper that a Qantas operation based in Kuala Lumpur would be the wiser choice.
Now, the pilots want to know what Fernandes meant by a reference to the “Malaysianisation” of Qantas.
AIPA says Fernandes’ remarks follow “the apparent collapse of Mr Joyce’s ambitions to divert Qantas Group resources to a new so-called ‘Red Q’ airline in Singapore”.
AIPA vice president Captain Richard Woodward says Joyce has an obligation to tell the Australian public honestly what he is planning to do with Qantas in Malaysia.
“Mr Fernandes may be enthusiastic about the Malaysianisation of Qantas, but I don’t think most Australians would be,” Woodward said.
“Mr Joyce told shareholders it was ‘premature to make any announcements at this stage’ regarding his plans in Southeast Asia, yet his would-be business partner obviously thinks otherwise.
“What they are planning is just bad business for Qantas. Last week we saw the collapse of Jetstar Pacific in Southeast Asia after years of draining money from the Qantas Group. Now Mr Joyce wants to hitch our wagon even more tightly to high-risk Asian ventures?
“Tony Fernandes is entitled to push his agenda and, in fact, he’s probably got a lot to gain from Qantas diverting resources into Malaysia.
“But he’s telling Qantas to do one thing, while he himself does another. Mr Fernandes is quoted as saying: ‘Airlines that remain committed to their model will succeed.’”
“Well, that’s a view AIPA would certainly agree with. Qantas will succeed only if it focuses on the two things that have made it great: its Australian identity and its world standard-setting safety.”
Woodward is also calling for a full explanation of the relationship between Joyce and Fernandes after the latter was quoted as saying: “Alan always gave me cheap deals. I was never shy to ask for an upgrade and he was one of the few that gave it.”
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The scale and cost structure of just about all Asian and ME airlines is increasingly putting the Kangaroo under the pump and Qantas desperately needs an Asia/Europe solution if it is to operate much more than A380’s to London.
Unfortunately Qantas’ decision to go headlong around its Pilots & Engineers, rather than taking them on the journey, suggests to me that QF’s ability to bring about a timely Asia/Europe solution is even further away than it was this time last year.
With all that has gone on, it will take a miracle to fix, but if AIPA started publically articulating a solution the pilots could be a part of and Management acknowledged that QF pilots can make a necessary marketing difference to any Asian based fleet, it may yet be possible.
Right now, believe it’s lose/ lose with no win insight.
Merry Christmas to all - may 2012 to a better year.
Unfortunately Qantas’ decision to go headlong around its Pilots & Engineers, rather than taking them on the journey, suggests to me that QF’s ability to bring about a timely Asia/Europe solution is even further away than it was this time last year.
With all that has gone on, it will take a miracle to fix, but if AIPA started publically articulating a solution the pilots could be a part of and Management acknowledged that QF pilots can make a necessary marketing difference to any Asian based fleet, it may yet be possible.
Right now, believe it’s lose/ lose with no win insight.
Merry Christmas to all - may 2012 to a better year.
...but if AIPA started publically articulating a solution the pilots could be a part of and Management acknowledged that QF pilots can make a necessary marketing difference to any Asian based fleet, it may yet be possible.
Sad. I'll be ready to be re-engaged once LC, AJ and all their merry men piss off and let someone else clean up their mistakes, and get back to running the airline properly.