Senate Inquiry, Hearing Program 4th Nov 2011
Anyone pick up on the 767 VH-OGN back from heavy maintenance in Singapore and was to operate QF 409 on Tues morning but this was cancelled due to APU electrical power been unable to be conected to the aircraft and no center hydraulics available.
Is that true dragon man ?
Perhaps Sen X should be informed? Plus this:
Perhaps Sen X should be informed? Plus this:
Air France suspended the maintenance of its aircraft by Chinese company Taeco after 30 screws were found to be missing from one of its planes, it said Thursday.
The airline made the discovery in mid-November and said the screws were missing from a protective panel of an A340 plane after a full service by the Chinese company.
Taeco, based in Xiamen, southeast China, is one of the top service companies for long-haul planes and its other customers include British Airways, American Airlines, JAL, Emirates and Lufthansa.
"We have stopped sending our planes for the moment" to Taeco, Air France CEO Alexandre de Juniac said in Beijing.
Air France made the move as it awaits the results of its investigation, which is expected to take "a few days".
On Tuesday the Chinese firm announced it was launching its own probe.
Taeco has serviced Air France's Boeing 747 planes for over four years, representing "10 percent of our long-haul fleet", Juniac said.
The incident involved the second A340 plane sent to Xiamen for a full service.
A full service occurs every six years and takes just over a month, costing
"several million dollars", an Air France official said.
"several million dollars", an Air France official said.
Taeco services "between five and seven planes per year" for Air France, Juniac said. In an earlier statement, the number had been put at "less than five a year".
An Air France Boeing 747-400 was grounded in 2010 following a full service in China after some of the plane's surfaces were repainted using potentially flammable paint. The plane had been in the skies for over three weeks
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Can confirm it had a few problems ex maint.
Anyone pick up on the 767 VH-OGN back from heavy maintenance in Singapore and was to operate QF 409 on Tues morning but this was cancelled due to APU electrical power been unable to be conected to the aircraft and no center hydraulics available.
Now, very quickly, the ground power has been declared usable so I guess the problem was somewhere else.....
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Senate Hearings re Qantas Sale Amendment
For info
Qantas' Alan Joyce and Jetstar's Bruce Buchanan are to appear at the Senate Committee's next hearing, due to start at 08:30, Monday, 6th. Feb. 2012.
The Hearing will be televised on the web.
Qantas' Alan Joyce and Jetstar's Bruce Buchanan are to appear at the Senate Committee's next hearing, due to start at 08:30, Monday, 6th. Feb. 2012.
The Hearing will be televised on the web.
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Steve Creedy's latest piece, I assume to pre-empt the publicity into Monday's pineappling "uh urm" questioning that is sure to ensue. As always full of very carefully worded factual statements, most probably authored by OW that do not paint the proper picture.
Here are my thoughts:
Keep it simple: what is the definition of a domestic flight?? Is it the arbitrary number allocated to a sector by an airline, most probably to suit whatever circumstances they need or is it just simply a flight between two Australian airports where nobody on board needs to pass through immigration either immediately prior to departure or immediately on arrival? Seems simple to me!!
Yes maybe so but if some of the operational arrangements to make them happen are illegal due immigration or fair work legislation you cannot do it! A business must always operate within the laws of the country or face the consequences. Nobody in this country is above the law unless something has changed since I studied. It is interesting that whilst it seems that BB may have struck a deal with fair work to soften the blow it also may give him an out for his potentially contemptuous statements at the last sitting. Whilst it may be acceptable to FWA ( although I don't see how) it would be interesting to get Minister Chris Bowen's input from an immigration perspective!! I have seen people on the border security tv programme get deported for less by Bowen's army!!
Maybe someone should ask minister Bowen how this practice has gone undetected or indeed un-investigated following numerous calls to the immigration Dob-in line. .... and under the noses of your many border security staff based at our country's major airports too!!! Embarrassing!!!
At the moment the issue is just hanging in mid-air with both sides denying any wrong doing. Get the issue in front of a judge and let's have some clarity over the law. If. BB wins then the flood gates will open for all companies to import labour and our immigration laws will be in tatters!!
Classic!! Break the rules and then plead poverty when you get found out. Government shouldn't be too concerned as these flights are operated be Jetstar Asia as far as I am aware so the tax on the profit from them is not swelling the Aus governments coffers.
How about you re-word the sentence to say "Jetstar has warned it would no longer be put at an advantage and would have to shut down overseas flights involving tags"
Don't try and make the problem seem relatively insignificant and appear not to be worth wasting the government's time on Mr Creedy. Illegal is illegal and it is just that BB has been caught out - again!!
Your statement about being an internal glitch or oversight is absolute nonsense. BB and AJ knew this was going on given their cocky responses on previous visits to Canberra where they denied any wrong doing. FWA and DIAC should identify every breach and use the full extent of the legislation to bring them and the companies they preside over to task.
Yes but they don't pick up domestic passengers on the way other than those who were at some time passengers on the international leg!!
More to Follow.....on Monday!!
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JETSTAR has capped the number of domestic sectors foreign-based crew can fly on international services as top executives face another Senate grilling on the issue on Monday.
The move came after a Fair Work Ombudsman investigation expressed concern about the number of domestic sectors some foreign crew members were flying on international tag flights.
About 60 of Jetstar's 3000 weekly flights are tag flights, the domestic sector of international flight such as Singapore-Melbourne-Darwin, mostly on smaller Airbus A320 aircraft.
Tag flights allow airlines to optimise scheduling and add an additional destination and traffic feed to make otherwise unviable international routes profitable.
It is understood a detailed analysis of Jetstars rostering by the FWA found a limited number of overseas-based staff who flew a high number of routes between their arrival in Australia and subsequent departure, including one who operated 15 sectors.
The finding prompted a review of Jetstar's rostering practices and a cap on overseas-based staff flying more than four successive international tag flights between Australian ports. This would allow a foreign crew member, for example, to operate Singapore-Darwin-Melbourne-Sydney-Melbourne-Darwin-Singapore.
The use of foreign-based crew and the rules governing them are likely to be a hot issue as Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce and Jetstar boss Bruce Buchanan front a senate inquiry on Monday morning.
Unions have argued that foreign staff, who are work under rates and conditions applicable to their home base, should work under Australian wages and conditions while in Australia. They claim the use of overseas-based staff is an attempt to undermine Australian jobs.
But airlines argue the common industry practice is necessary to make some routes viable.
Jetstar has warned it would be put at a disadvantage and would have to shut down overseas flights involving tags if Independent Senator Nick Xenophon is successful in changing civil aviation laws. Senator Xenophon has proposed making Australian wages and conditions mandatory for overseas crew operating domestic sectors on Australian international airlines and their subsidiaries. He is also proposing strengthened rules on cabin crew fatigue after it emerged some foreign crew were working long hours to staff tag flights.
Jetstar yesterday confirmed it had moved to close a rostering loophole that led to overseas-based staff flying a higher number of flights in Australia.
A spokesman said the roster process that led to the high concentration of domestic flights was inadvertent and emphasised that overseas staff work only on international tag services and not on purely domestic Jetstar flights.
"Several airlines use overseas-based cabin crew on flights with international flight numbers that fly between Australian cities on their way into or out of the country," the spokesman said.
The move came after a Fair Work Ombudsman investigation expressed concern about the number of domestic sectors some foreign crew members were flying on international tag flights.
About 60 of Jetstar's 3000 weekly flights are tag flights, the domestic sector of international flight such as Singapore-Melbourne-Darwin, mostly on smaller Airbus A320 aircraft.
Tag flights allow airlines to optimise scheduling and add an additional destination and traffic feed to make otherwise unviable international routes profitable.
It is understood a detailed analysis of Jetstars rostering by the FWA found a limited number of overseas-based staff who flew a high number of routes between their arrival in Australia and subsequent departure, including one who operated 15 sectors.
The finding prompted a review of Jetstar's rostering practices and a cap on overseas-based staff flying more than four successive international tag flights between Australian ports. This would allow a foreign crew member, for example, to operate Singapore-Darwin-Melbourne-Sydney-Melbourne-Darwin-Singapore.
The use of foreign-based crew and the rules governing them are likely to be a hot issue as Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce and Jetstar boss Bruce Buchanan front a senate inquiry on Monday morning.
Unions have argued that foreign staff, who are work under rates and conditions applicable to their home base, should work under Australian wages and conditions while in Australia. They claim the use of overseas-based staff is an attempt to undermine Australian jobs.
But airlines argue the common industry practice is necessary to make some routes viable.
Jetstar has warned it would be put at a disadvantage and would have to shut down overseas flights involving tags if Independent Senator Nick Xenophon is successful in changing civil aviation laws. Senator Xenophon has proposed making Australian wages and conditions mandatory for overseas crew operating domestic sectors on Australian international airlines and their subsidiaries. He is also proposing strengthened rules on cabin crew fatigue after it emerged some foreign crew were working long hours to staff tag flights.
Jetstar yesterday confirmed it had moved to close a rostering loophole that led to overseas-based staff flying a higher number of flights in Australia.
A spokesman said the roster process that led to the high concentration of domestic flights was inadvertent and emphasised that overseas staff work only on international tag services and not on purely domestic Jetstar flights.
"Several airlines use overseas-based cabin crew on flights with international flight numbers that fly between Australian cities on their way into or out of the country," the spokesman said.
Keep it simple: what is the definition of a domestic flight?? Is it the arbitrary number allocated to a sector by an airline, most probably to suit whatever circumstances they need or is it just simply a flight between two Australian airports where nobody on board needs to pass through immigration either immediately prior to departure or immediately on arrival? Seems simple to me!!
Tag flights allow airlines to optimise scheduling and add an additional destination and traffic feed to make otherwise unviable international routes profitable.
Maybe someone should ask minister Bowen how this practice has gone undetected or indeed un-investigated following numerous calls to the immigration Dob-in line. .... and under the noses of your many border security staff based at our country's major airports too!!! Embarrassing!!!
At the moment the issue is just hanging in mid-air with both sides denying any wrong doing. Get the issue in front of a judge and let's have some clarity over the law. If. BB wins then the flood gates will open for all companies to import labour and our immigration laws will be in tatters!!
Jetstar has warned it would be put at a disadvantage and would have to shut down overseas flights involving tags
How about you re-word the sentence to say "Jetstar has warned it would no longer be put at an advantage and would have to shut down overseas flights involving tags"
About 60 of Jetstar's 3000 weekly flights are tag flights, the domestic sector of international flight such as Singapore-Melbourne-Darwin, mostly on smaller Airbus A320 aircraft.
Your statement about being an internal glitch or oversight is absolute nonsense. BB and AJ knew this was going on given their cocky responses on previous visits to Canberra where they denied any wrong doing. FWA and DIAC should identify every breach and use the full extent of the legislation to bring them and the companies they preside over to task.
But airlines argue the common industry practice is necessary to make some routes viable.
"Several airlines use overseas-based cabin crew on flights with international flight numbers that fly between Australian cities on their way into or out of the country," the spokesman said.
"Several airlines use overseas-based cabin crew on flights with international flight numbers that fly between Australian cities on their way into or out of the country," the spokesman said.
More to Follow.....on Monday!!
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There is more to follow....
Some unheralded but very recent changes:
Senator Xenophon - amended Bills:
AIPA Supplementary submission:
https://senate.aph.gov.au/submission...c-4f785810bc42
Might just be a bit more bite in the old dog yet...
Senator Xenophon - amended Bills:
Draft Amendments to the Bills
The following links are draft amendments to the Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011 and the Qantas Sale Amendment (Still Call Australia Home) Bill 2011 put forward by Senator Xenophon to be considered as part of the inquiry. To date these draft amendments have not been introduced to the Senate but have been posted on the Committee website for public comment. The Committee calls for submissions regarding these draft amendments by Monday 6 February 2012.
Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011 (PDF 42KB) http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committ..._Amendment.pdf
Qantas Sale Amendment (Still Call Australia Home) Bill 2011 (PDF 29KB)http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committ...antas_Sale.pdf
The following links are draft amendments to the Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011 and the Qantas Sale Amendment (Still Call Australia Home) Bill 2011 put forward by Senator Xenophon to be considered as part of the inquiry. To date these draft amendments have not been introduced to the Senate but have been posted on the Committee website for public comment. The Committee calls for submissions regarding these draft amendments by Monday 6 February 2012.
Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011 (PDF 42KB) http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committ..._Amendment.pdf
Qantas Sale Amendment (Still Call Australia Home) Bill 2011 (PDF 29KB)http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committ...antas_Sale.pdf
https://senate.aph.gov.au/submission...c-4f785810bc42
Might just be a bit more bite in the old dog yet...
scrubba mate!
AIPA Supplementary submission:
https://senate.aph.gov.au/submission...c-4f785810bc42
Might just be a bit more bite in the old dog yet...
https://senate.aph.gov.au/submission...c-4f785810bc42
Might just be a bit more bite in the old dog yet...
That supplementary submission is electric
Not sure who the PA is that helped RW compose that but the AIPA members and J* cabin crew should be sending a bonus his/her way!
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Someone is Jetstar HR should have read this. Probably the same guy who was responsible for the cadet scandal!!
DIAC Fact Sheet 87 – Initiatives to Combat Illegal Work in Australia
Only Australian citizens, permanent residents of Australia and New Zealand citizens who have entered Australia on a valid passport are allowed to stay and work in Australia without restriction.
All foreign nationals who want to travel to and stay in Australia must obtain visas before arriving.
If foreign nationals wish to work in Australia, they must also obtain a visa that gives them the authority to work.
Example: People who come as tourists, or to visit family and friends, are not entitled to work in Australia.
Who are illegal workers?
Illegal workers are non-Australian citizens who are working in Australia without a visa, or who are in Australia lawfully but working in breach of their visa conditions.
Problems created by illegal workers
Illegal workers create a number of problems within the Australian community.
Example: They:
deny Australian citizens and permanent residents the opportunity to obtain a job.
place an additional burden on the taxpayer in terms of costs associated with locating and removing illegal workers, uncollected taxes and fraudulently claimed government benefits
disadvantage employers who employ legal workers because they may not be able to compete with those who employ and under-pay illegal workers
may be subject to exploitation and organised criminal activity
may not meet the stringent health and character tests undertaken by holders of a visa with work entitlements.
Statistics
Each year the department locates a significant number of people who have been working illegally.
As at 30 June 2009, it was estimated that some 48 700 people were unlawfully in Australia.
Around 80 per cent of these people are of working age. In addition, some people who are lawfully in Australia are working in breach of their visa conditions.
In 2008–09, the department located 990 people working illegally. The top three industries in which illegal workers were located included:
agriculture, forestry, and fishing (largely farming)
accommodation, cafes and restaurants
construction.
What happens to illegal workers?
People who work in Australia without immigration authority or who do not comply with the work condition attached to their visas, for example by working more hours than their visa allows are breaking Australian law.
The Department of Immigration and Citizenship takes seriously the issue of people working illegally or in breach of visa conditions. The department is committed to working with the community, employers, labour suppliers and industry to combat illegal work in Australia.
The department encourages visa holders to comply with their visa requirements. Action against those who seriously breach these requirements can lead to possible visa cancellation and removal from Australia.
While elements of illegal work are opportunistic in nature, there is growing evidence pointing to a high level of organisation involving:
labour hire intermediaries
migration agents
offshore agents
taxation evasion.
In response to this, the department is stepping up its efforts to respond to serious non-compliance within the agriculture sector in targeting the organisers of illegal labour hire rackets.
The department undertakes a broad range of activities to address illegal work. Employer awareness training sessions are conducted to educate employers, industry peak bodies and unions about immigration status checking with the aim of reducing the number of illegal workers. The department is continuing with the national employer awareness and fraud awareness campaign targeting the horticulture industry, amongst others, in cooperation with several Commonwealth agencies.
The department also works with the Australian Taxation Office, Centrelink, Australian Federal Police and state police authorities to locate and identify illegal workers.
Employing an illegal worker is a criminal offence
It is a criminal offence under the Migration Act 1958 to knowingly or recklessly allow an illegal worker to work or to refer an illegal worker for work.
These offences apply to employers, labour hire companies, employment agencies and anyone who allows illegal workers to work, or refers illegal workers for work.
Individuals convicted of these offences face fines of up to $13 200 and two years imprisonment while companies face fines of up to $66 000 per illegal worker.
Penalties are even higher where an illegal worker is being exploited through forced labour, sexual servitude or slavery.
It is also an offence under the Commonwealth Criminal Code 1995 for an employer or labour supplier to aid or abet foreign nationals working illegally in Australia.
Services to assist employers
The department provides a number of services to help employers and labour suppliers check a prospective employees' entitlement to work in Australia:
Only Australian citizens, permanent residents of Australia and New Zealand citizens who have entered Australia on a valid passport are allowed to stay and work in Australia without restriction.
All foreign nationals who want to travel to and stay in Australia must obtain visas before arriving.
If foreign nationals wish to work in Australia, they must also obtain a visa that gives them the authority to work.
Example: People who come as tourists, or to visit family and friends, are not entitled to work in Australia.
Who are illegal workers?
Illegal workers are non-Australian citizens who are working in Australia without a visa, or who are in Australia lawfully but working in breach of their visa conditions.
Problems created by illegal workers
Illegal workers create a number of problems within the Australian community.
Example: They:
deny Australian citizens and permanent residents the opportunity to obtain a job.
place an additional burden on the taxpayer in terms of costs associated with locating and removing illegal workers, uncollected taxes and fraudulently claimed government benefits
disadvantage employers who employ legal workers because they may not be able to compete with those who employ and under-pay illegal workers
may be subject to exploitation and organised criminal activity
may not meet the stringent health and character tests undertaken by holders of a visa with work entitlements.
Statistics
Each year the department locates a significant number of people who have been working illegally.
As at 30 June 2009, it was estimated that some 48 700 people were unlawfully in Australia.
Around 80 per cent of these people are of working age. In addition, some people who are lawfully in Australia are working in breach of their visa conditions.
In 2008–09, the department located 990 people working illegally. The top three industries in which illegal workers were located included:
agriculture, forestry, and fishing (largely farming)
accommodation, cafes and restaurants
construction.
What happens to illegal workers?
People who work in Australia without immigration authority or who do not comply with the work condition attached to their visas, for example by working more hours than their visa allows are breaking Australian law.
The Department of Immigration and Citizenship takes seriously the issue of people working illegally or in breach of visa conditions. The department is committed to working with the community, employers, labour suppliers and industry to combat illegal work in Australia.
The department encourages visa holders to comply with their visa requirements. Action against those who seriously breach these requirements can lead to possible visa cancellation and removal from Australia.
While elements of illegal work are opportunistic in nature, there is growing evidence pointing to a high level of organisation involving:
labour hire intermediaries
migration agents
offshore agents
taxation evasion.
In response to this, the department is stepping up its efforts to respond to serious non-compliance within the agriculture sector in targeting the organisers of illegal labour hire rackets.
The department undertakes a broad range of activities to address illegal work. Employer awareness training sessions are conducted to educate employers, industry peak bodies and unions about immigration status checking with the aim of reducing the number of illegal workers. The department is continuing with the national employer awareness and fraud awareness campaign targeting the horticulture industry, amongst others, in cooperation with several Commonwealth agencies.
The department also works with the Australian Taxation Office, Centrelink, Australian Federal Police and state police authorities to locate and identify illegal workers.
Employing an illegal worker is a criminal offence
It is a criminal offence under the Migration Act 1958 to knowingly or recklessly allow an illegal worker to work or to refer an illegal worker for work.
These offences apply to employers, labour hire companies, employment agencies and anyone who allows illegal workers to work, or refers illegal workers for work.
Individuals convicted of these offences face fines of up to $13 200 and two years imprisonment while companies face fines of up to $66 000 per illegal worker.
Penalties are even higher where an illegal worker is being exploited through forced labour, sexual servitude or slavery.
It is also an offence under the Commonwealth Criminal Code 1995 for an employer or labour supplier to aid or abet foreign nationals working illegally in Australia.
Services to assist employers
The department provides a number of services to help employers and labour suppliers check a prospective employees' entitlement to work in Australia:
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Further to my post on Steve Creedy's story, I have done a little more research and I may need to correct myself. Now I am getting confused.
Jetstar Group's published flight schedule for each subsidiary (Jetstar, Jetstar Asia etc.) lists for example the international flight from Singapore to Melburne as two separate flights. jQ58 flies from Singapore to Darwin and then JQ62 flies from Darwin to Melbourne. Two flights, two flight numbers both operated by Jetstar Australia. Yet this is supposed to be an international flight with a domestic leg? To me it appears like an international flight and then a domestic flight.
So, why then are the cabin crew who work for Jetstar Asia, or rather their crewing company Valueair operating on Jetstar Australia flights? That makes Jetstar Australia, an Australian registered company responsible for employing foreign workers without the right to work for an employer in this country.
BB if I did make an error on my previous post regarding the operator of the Darwin / Melbourne international flight I unreservedly apologise.
But it seems you may be Deeper poopoo now.
More to Follow.....on Monday
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Jetstar Group's published flight schedule for each subsidiary (Jetstar, Jetstar Asia etc.) lists for example the international flight from Singapore to Melburne as two separate flights. jQ58 flies from Singapore to Darwin and then JQ62 flies from Darwin to Melbourne. Two flights, two flight numbers both operated by Jetstar Australia. Yet this is supposed to be an international flight with a domestic leg? To me it appears like an international flight and then a domestic flight.
So, why then are the cabin crew who work for Jetstar Asia, or rather their crewing company Valueair operating on Jetstar Australia flights? That makes Jetstar Australia, an Australian registered company responsible for employing foreign workers without the right to work for an employer in this country.
BB if I did make an error on my previous post regarding the operator of the Darwin / Melbourne international flight I unreservedly apologise.
But it seems you may be Deeper poopoo now.
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Now I am getting confused.
This smoke and mirrors operation is structured in such a disingenuous manner. Foreign national, foreign-based cabin crew are utilised on these so called 'tag' flights as a way to get around inconvenient and costly Australian industrial legislation, taxation and superannuation requirements. Moreover, these crew are very highly utilised as they come with a much lower cost, work longer duty periods and have much higher productivity than an Aussie-based flight attendant.
They are also more compliant and easier to control; without any pesky unions to represent them, or employee-friendly legislation in their countries of origin.
It is not uncommon for these hard working, exploited Singaporean and Thai nationals to be on the road for more than 21 days before returning, exhausted, to their homes and families for a couple of days off.
The domestic 'tag' flights in question are not really a continuation of international flights at all.
They are stand-alone domestic sectors operated by foreign nationals in murky discord with the intent of Australian law.
These flights include:
JQ 57/58 DRW - CNS
JQ 81/82 DRW - BNE
JQ 73/74, 75/76 DRW - SYD
JQ 61/62 DRW - MEL
An example of a domestic flight that does comply with the spirit of an international tag would include United Airlines 839 from SYD - MEL. This flight is a true continuation of the UA 839 service from LAX, staffed by US-based flight attendants, carrying passengers that have all originated in the US.
I sincerely hope the Senate Inquiry shines the light again this week on these shady practices.
PG
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Along with Qantas flights between LAX and JFK.
The flights are only available to passengers traveling between Australia and New York.
You cannot purchase tickets LAX JFK or JFK LAX as a standalone flight.
The flights are only available to passengers traveling between Australia and New York.
You cannot purchase tickets LAX JFK or JFK LAX as a standalone flight.
Nunc est bibendum
Yes, i guess the question is how many of those pax on those flights are international pax with J* and how many have the big flouro D on the boarding pass?
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Spin fishing -
Most species of fish can be caught by spin fishing, however some are more susceptible to this technique than others. - Wikipedea.
The Senators have been hoodwinked, bamboozled, outsmarted and outclassed for more than 2 decades now. Nothing new here. Read the last response from CASA; smooth. Pony pooh, but smooth, Gummint off the hook, so all's well in toyland.
Bollicks.
The public has no information, the Minister is afeared of the 'mystique' and, of course getting blamed. The information has been offered to them, but – all too busy being busy.
The sheer volume of publicly available information ignored, the Engineers ignored, Pilots ignored, hundreds of Coroners recommendations ignored, FAA advice ignored, ICAO advice ignored, dozens of ATSB recommendations ignored, hundreds of industry complaints ignored; and, this hand full of politically hidebound attention seekers are going to 'save the world'.
Bollicks.
If there is a major prang, the bullets will be flying thick and fast. Then watch' em duck and weave.
But the incontrovertible evidence that these dumb fish were so easily caught by a spinner is there for the world to see. I just hope the world is watching. You can run, but you can't hide.
Selah.
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I have just been a on a cruise around New Zealand via Princess Line Cruise ship. Does this sound like the Jetstar/ Qantas model to you? Sounds like it to me.
- American company.
- Ship registered in the Bahamas.
- British Captain.
- The crew drawn from Mexico, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Cambodia, China, Poland, Roumania, South America, Ceylon, etc. About half (ie: those you see) speak reasonably good English, the "black gang" who are rarely seen and dress in rags, don't speak it well at all.
* The crew are on Six month rolling contracts. Say Twelve voyages per contract. No obligation to renew.
* Contract dates are unsynchronized. At the end of each voyage (every Two weeks or so) about Eighty crew (about 1000 total) rotate back home to their families by air at their own cost. They may receive another contract, maybe not. It depends.........
The benefits to the company include:
- no possibility of unionisation, any form of crew organisation, or crew complaint.
- absolute compliance with work instructions on pain of non renewal of contract.
- horrific salaries, terms and conditions. For example, you get sick ? Your problem.
- Consistent supply of young eager to please employees. When they burn out - goodbye.
The benefits ot the employees? Not much.
What would Qantas and its Board not like about this business model? With a little work "The Spirit Of Australia" would never even make a profit, let alone pay Australian tax.
My spies tell me that Qantas is training up young management "supervisors" to manage a largely foreign contract workforce for ground handling at Australian ports. There will be an Australian face "Front of house", but the rest of the workforce will be foreign contractors.
- American company.
- Ship registered in the Bahamas.
- British Captain.
- The crew drawn from Mexico, Ukraine, India, Thailand, Cambodia, China, Poland, Roumania, South America, Ceylon, etc. About half (ie: those you see) speak reasonably good English, the "black gang" who are rarely seen and dress in rags, don't speak it well at all.
* The crew are on Six month rolling contracts. Say Twelve voyages per contract. No obligation to renew.
* Contract dates are unsynchronized. At the end of each voyage (every Two weeks or so) about Eighty crew (about 1000 total) rotate back home to their families by air at their own cost. They may receive another contract, maybe not. It depends.........
The benefits to the company include:
- no possibility of unionisation, any form of crew organisation, or crew complaint.
- absolute compliance with work instructions on pain of non renewal of contract.
- horrific salaries, terms and conditions. For example, you get sick ? Your problem.
- Consistent supply of young eager to please employees. When they burn out - goodbye.
The benefits ot the employees? Not much.
What would Qantas and its Board not like about this business model? With a little work "The Spirit Of Australia" would never even make a profit, let alone pay Australian tax.
My spies tell me that Qantas is training up young management "supervisors" to manage a largely foreign contract workforce for ground handling at Australian ports. There will be an Australian face "Front of house", but the rest of the workforce will be foreign contractors.
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Am amazed that the Senate enquiry (from the Hansard I read today) has not even touched on all of Emirates trans-tasman flights in the JetConnect / Pacific Blue debate.
Under what award are they employed under and how do hours / terms and conditions relate to either Australian or NZ laws??
Under what award are they employed under and how do hours / terms and conditions relate to either Australian or NZ laws??
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Sunfish,
You may well be right.
But look at shipping - despite one of the largest coast lines in the world, become a major player in heavy global trade etc, there are almost no Australian registered ships... Why??
Unless Qantas Intl (and indeed in the longterm Jetstar Aust Intl) can compete on a cost base internationally, its natural future is to shrink back to a domestic only airline, protected by the Australian AOC -- that protection doesn't exist on any international operations (and we have already given away the Canadian strategy)
You may well be right.
But look at shipping - despite one of the largest coast lines in the world, become a major player in heavy global trade etc, there are almost no Australian registered ships... Why??
Unless Qantas Intl (and indeed in the longterm Jetstar Aust Intl) can compete on a cost base internationally, its natural future is to shrink back to a domestic only airline, protected by the Australian AOC -- that protection doesn't exist on any international operations (and we have already given away the Canadian strategy)
