Senate Inquiry, Hearing Program 4th Nov 2011
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Nick seemed to be one of the few chasing the main agenda items.
Today I watched it through again, I believe that there are a few things said by AJ and BB that may come back to haunt them.... one in part 6 about 1.09 mins in where AJ says "the 787 has about 20 percent over existing technology," (the 777 I presume) which in my view still remains to be seen.. amongst a few other things which I will edit together as soon as I get some time for you all to consider.. I also found part 10 about 8.06 in very interesting as well... "if you don't get your own way you will withdraw services which is a Ryan Air practice." or similar words...
should have it up in a day or so.
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"if you don't get your own way you will withdraw services which is a Ryan Air practice." or similar words...
May I suggest to AJ, the cabin crew & flight crew could work for free & you would still loose money on that route.
Perhaps the Senators should ask for the traffic figures & revenue on that route before falling for some more executive spin.
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Xenophon should have asked BB.
Why can QF (Domestic) make 100's of millions operating domestically & paying Australian terms & conditions?
Alan, maybe your comment in the first Senate Inquiry that $50 domestic fares are sustainable simply isn't true.
Why can QF (Domestic) make 100's of millions operating domestically & paying Australian terms & conditions?
Alan, maybe your comment in the first Senate Inquiry that $50 domestic fares are sustainable simply isn't true.
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Senator XENOPHON: The roster: will you be able to provide that to us?
Mr Buchanan: That is something we can give you. The issue is that we need to be conscious that we are not disclosing personal information. If you are after summary statistics, which we have tried to provide in terms of the average hours—
Senator XENOPHON: That was the idea of it, not any personal information, of course.
Mr Buchanan: That is something we can give you. The issue is that we need to be conscious that we are not disclosing personal information. If you are after summary statistics, which we have tried to provide in terms of the average hours—
Senator XENOPHON: That was the idea of it, not any personal information, of course.
I wonder how CASA monitor my flight and duty times without my name being attached to them if privacy in verifying compliance is so important. Answer: they get to see my name at the top of the screen.
There are two ways to deal with this as I see it. Either, ask CASA to obtain the information and ask mcCormick to report formally back to the committee on his findings, or, tell BB to man up and face the music and provide the information confidentially to the committee.
Either way Bruce you should expect to produce the detailed information because your average stats mean nothing.
I fly 900 hours per year and the regs ensure that these are distributed relatively evenly throughout the year to mitigate the risk of fatigue. If I was allowed to fly those 900 hours over over 6 months and then have the rest of the year off I would be twice as fatigued but what is important is that my average flight hours would still be 900 per year.
For a obviously intelligent guy I don't see why BB doesn't get it!!
Same with Foreign cabin crew. Employment contracts allowing prolonged shifts way over sensible duty limitations. Arena sure sign that things are not right!!
More to follow
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Flogging a Dead Horse
Folks,
The article and much of the Qantas rhetoric is, of course, focused on the original Bills. It is a singular disappointment that the timing of the publication of Senator Xenophon's amended Bills allowed so little time for analysis and debate before Monday's hearing.
All of the press and other "learned" garbage is about the Bills that Senator X has already abandoned - truly flogging a dead horse!
What was needed - and never happened during the Liberals diversion of the available time - was debate on the new proposals. They were targeted only at Australian operators exploiting foreign nationals and displacing Australians in the domestic sector - nothing would have changed on bona fide international sectors!
Stay Alive,
The article and much of the Qantas rhetoric is, of course, focused on the original Bills. It is a singular disappointment that the timing of the publication of Senator Xenophon's amended Bills allowed so little time for analysis and debate before Monday's hearing.
All of the press and other "learned" garbage is about the Bills that Senator X has already abandoned - truly flogging a dead horse!
What was needed - and never happened during the Liberals diversion of the available time - was debate on the new proposals. They were targeted only at Australian operators exploiting foreign nationals and displacing Australians in the domestic sector - nothing would have changed on bona fide international sectors!
Stay Alive,
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If ever you had any doubt that nothing was going to happen with this enquiry listen to what our PM said last night.
She didnt decide to challenge Rudd until the final meeting, despite evidence her staff were preparing acceptance speeches two weeks before.
Sound familiar???? Straight out of Qantas Management manual... remember the grounding was not decided until the saturday morning.
Both had about the same level of credibility and obvious stench of word playing.
We deserve better than this lot and they merely reinforce to each other that their bad behaviour is acceptable.
Proves there is no hope while both are in their current jobs as they will do anything to keep their jobs.
She didnt decide to challenge Rudd until the final meeting, despite evidence her staff were preparing acceptance speeches two weeks before.
Sound familiar???? Straight out of Qantas Management manual... remember the grounding was not decided until the saturday morning.
Both had about the same level of credibility and obvious stench of word playing.
We deserve better than this lot and they merely reinforce to each other that their bad behaviour is acceptable.
Proves there is no hope while both are in their current jobs as they will do anything to keep their jobs.
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I think the good senator and us have been nobbled . The lobbyists must have been hard at work over the Chrissie break spreading the good word. Unless there is a clear political benefit for the parties, it's dead imho.
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Posted elsewhere but also appropriate for here;
The much hyped up and internaly argued and debated CMT (Certificate Management Teams) kicks off next week. Specific Inspectors assigned specific operators, what a hoot!
The best thing is that instead of hiring 'experts' to oversee each individual internal team they simply handed pretty much all of the Team Lead roles to current Team Leaders so as to save the organisation money! Many of the Team Leaders that already exist are complete Nupty's and not up for the job. How's that for a 'risk based' decision, NOT. Instead of hiring or promoting an actual expert CASA opt for the cheapest way to save a dollar! Heaven help the industry if the industry did that??
Seems like CMT is just another ill fated half arsed attempt to blow taxpayer money, sanctioned by the upper echelon and the ridiculosuly incompetent Safety Oversight Branch (SOB), the department filled with ex RAAF people.
I am also hearing that the stand off between Inspectors and Management over enterprise bargaining is gaining momentum with the Unions circling and ready for a show down. Once again the upper echelon and HR have engaged in screwing the workforce (remember they do it to industry) and now they are targeting the front line. All in line with Gillards push for each Government department to wipe costs of 10% across the board which included Fort Fumble. Perhaps they should reduce management bonuses to $0.00, remove business class fares and lounge memberships as well as scale back management salary by 10% and re-invest it into the front line and a decent set of regs, rather than have a bunch of PHD spinning f
s and burnt-out pilots tripping endlessly to Montreal and any other junket? I mean that would improve relationships internally in line with a just culture, wouldn't it?
Where is Flyingfiend, he is in the heart of Fort Fumble, surely he can offer some sound legal advice on this issue??
The best thing is that instead of hiring 'experts' to oversee each individual internal team they simply handed pretty much all of the Team Lead roles to current Team Leaders so as to save the organisation money! Many of the Team Leaders that already exist are complete Nupty's and not up for the job. How's that for a 'risk based' decision, NOT. Instead of hiring or promoting an actual expert CASA opt for the cheapest way to save a dollar! Heaven help the industry if the industry did that??
Seems like CMT is just another ill fated half arsed attempt to blow taxpayer money, sanctioned by the upper echelon and the ridiculosuly incompetent Safety Oversight Branch (SOB), the department filled with ex RAAF people.
I am also hearing that the stand off between Inspectors and Management over enterprise bargaining is gaining momentum with the Unions circling and ready for a show down. Once again the upper echelon and HR have engaged in screwing the workforce (remember they do it to industry) and now they are targeting the front line. All in line with Gillards push for each Government department to wipe costs of 10% across the board which included Fort Fumble. Perhaps they should reduce management bonuses to $0.00, remove business class fares and lounge memberships as well as scale back management salary by 10% and re-invest it into the front line and a decent set of regs, rather than have a bunch of PHD spinning f
s and burnt-out pilots tripping endlessly to Montreal and any other junket? I mean that would improve relationships internally in line with a just culture, wouldn't it?Where is Flyingfiend, he is in the heart of Fort Fumble, surely he can offer some sound legal advice on this issue??
gobbledock you might have to change your bait, that worm you've got on the hook doesn't seem to be enticing flying fiend out of his hole!
Perhaps a bigger sinker would help, after all he is a scum sucking bottom dweller err catfish!
Perhaps a bigger sinker would help, after all he is a scum sucking bottom dweller err catfish!
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Flyingfiend's "out of office response"
Sarcs,
I believe Flyingfiend may be busy doing one of the following;
1) He is vigorously trying to polish the turd....but it is all in vain. No amount of scrubbing will remove the stain, stench and top coating of veneer off the turd.
2) He may be in Montreal, the Regulators 'home away from home'. Attending an ICAO 'wank fest', posturing over the meaning of 'worlds best practise' and doing some Catfish fishing with oversized worms.
3) Maybe he is sifting through mountains of internal steaming mounds of pony pooh in an attempt to find answers to the Senators questions. No doubt he will stumble upon some brown gems while on his quest to throw the Senators a few herrings.
4) Possibly he is pleasuring himself by reading some in-depth robust bureaucratic 'defelctions' that contain articulate concise examples of the English language.
5) Matbe he is completing a PHD in 'Aviation Tribal Warfare' or busy reviewing a 30 000 page thesis he just penned on 'Just Culture in Voodoo Law'.
6) Maybe he has joined fellow legal eagles in their own CMT. That would be exciting.
7) Perhaps he is sucking on a big old fat stoogie while sporting disheveled hair, wearing urine spotted boots and a cheap Hawaiian shirt? Oops, that is the Skull!
8) Or perhaps he is busy watching PoohTube looking for more evidence of naughty chopper pilots committing shenanigans somewhere in outback Australia on a 10 000 hectare farm where even the bulls get a daily milking.
9) Or finally maybe he is back working on the reg reform program continuing the work that a generation has put into it before him? Yes he may be reviewing hours and hours of regulations ensuring they are all 'grey' and CASA can apply 'intent' to each application of the regs, not to mention writing the rules in such a way that the regulator and goverment will always escape any accountability for their own lack of actions.
I believe Flyingfiend may be busy doing one of the following;
1) He is vigorously trying to polish the turd....but it is all in vain. No amount of scrubbing will remove the stain, stench and top coating of veneer off the turd.
2) He may be in Montreal, the Regulators 'home away from home'. Attending an ICAO 'wank fest', posturing over the meaning of 'worlds best practise' and doing some Catfish fishing with oversized worms.
3) Maybe he is sifting through mountains of internal steaming mounds of pony pooh in an attempt to find answers to the Senators questions. No doubt he will stumble upon some brown gems while on his quest to throw the Senators a few herrings.
4) Possibly he is pleasuring himself by reading some in-depth robust bureaucratic 'defelctions' that contain articulate concise examples of the English language.
5) Matbe he is completing a PHD in 'Aviation Tribal Warfare' or busy reviewing a 30 000 page thesis he just penned on 'Just Culture in Voodoo Law'.
6) Maybe he has joined fellow legal eagles in their own CMT. That would be exciting.
7) Perhaps he is sucking on a big old fat stoogie while sporting disheveled hair, wearing urine spotted boots and a cheap Hawaiian shirt? Oops, that is the Skull!
8) Or perhaps he is busy watching PoohTube looking for more evidence of naughty chopper pilots committing shenanigans somewhere in outback Australia on a 10 000 hectare farm where even the bulls get a daily milking.
9) Or finally maybe he is back working on the reg reform program continuing the work that a generation has put into it before him? Yes he may be reviewing hours and hours of regulations ensuring they are all 'grey' and CASA can apply 'intent' to each application of the regs, not to mention writing the rules in such a way that the regulator and goverment will always escape any accountability for their own lack of actions.
This Senator Fawcett is onto Fort Fumble: This was in answer to the Skull's diatribe
(RAT Senate Committee Hansard 14/02/2012 pg75) and he runs rings around them in terms of knowledge...
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/...bef76c/0000%22
Senator FAWCETT: I understand that is the current system. I understand those are the current constraints. I also understand that the intent of the white paper and this group that has been set up is to develop a new framework, a new understanding between the levels of government such that there can be some translation of knowledge and expertise that will inform planning requirements. Do you think it is acceptable in the nature of the intent of this group for CASA and other departments to just sit back and go, ‘It has always been thus and that is not our responsibility’, or do you think you actually have an obligation to put forth the aviation safety case into the development of this new framework?
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/...bef76c/0000%22
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The name Rhiannon makes my spine quiver.
What's that "watermelon" up to? Nothing good for aviation I bet.
What's that "watermelon" up to? Nothing good for aviation I bet.
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Miss Understood.
Aviation Advertiser – Phelan - Polar on the ropes? Not yet!
CASA Director John McCormick replied that Mr Butson was “a bit delusional if that is what he thinks the outcome of the court cases has been so far".
CASA Director John McCormick replied that Mr Butson was “a bit delusional if that is what he thinks the outcome of the court cases has been so far".
Bollocks – Miss Understood may be, on the balance of probabilities is a nicer assessment.
I never ever misunderstood the intent or purpose of this infamous statement, so no grovel note for me I suppose. Oh well, sludge is life, this week at least.
Sarcs – Senator Fawcett "and he runs rings around them in terms of knowledge".
Sarcs – Senator Fawcett "and he runs rings around them in terms of knowledge". Not only in 'smarts' mate - but honesty, integrity a genuine interest in the well being of aviation and Australia. Is there hope yet ??.
Imagine that someone not deterred by the CASA ' mystique of aviation safety' mantra or "lets just bamboozle the minister with bull dust!"
Still the Libs have to win an election first...
I met Senator Fawcett a few months back whilst paxing somewhere.
From the questions he asked and the conversation we had, he has taken a serious interest in all things aviation in Australia and will continue to do so. I did not know he was a Senator until disembarking when he passed me his card and asked to be remembered to a colleague of mine who he knew from Army aviation days.
(Cant be perfect I guess.
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From the questions he asked and the conversation we had, he has taken a serious interest in all things aviation in Australia and will continue to do so. I did not know he was a Senator until disembarking when he passed me his card and asked to be remembered to a colleague of mine who he knew from Army aviation days.
(Cant be perfect I guess.
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As predicted and expected Sen X's bill will not come into fruition
From the questions he asked and the conversation we had, he has taken a serious interest in all things aviation in Australia and will continue to do so.
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Tanty's, gravy trains and pensioners
Oh dear, more rumoured shennanigans coming to light. Some strong rumours coming out of the I.T sector says that one of the three elderly Directors has requested that a 'mate' supply software to Fort Fumble!
Oops, surely not?
Has this gone out to tender then? If so,
Who approved the tender?
Should documents and any other evidence be examined or subpoenaed to ensure everything is above board?
Will somebody investigate the possbile relationship between supplier and authorizer of the work?
Is Senator Xenophon interested in a deeper look at this?
If these rumours are true, what is the Minister for Mascot going to do?
Also rumoured is that at least some of the high level changes at the senior management level in recent months is due to one arrogant small weenered out of touch pensioner who needs to resign due to his out of touch dimwitted mentality. Perhaps said person needs to go and start taking long walks in the afternoon sun, take nanny naps at lunch time, indulge in an adequate amount of Reminyl, Zyprexa and I imagine Viagra, and leave aviation to those who are intelligent, fresh and not in need of a hip replacement?
OINK OINK
Oops, surely not?
Has this gone out to tender then? If so,
Who approved the tender?
Should documents and any other evidence be examined or subpoenaed to ensure everything is above board?
Will somebody investigate the possbile relationship between supplier and authorizer of the work?
Is Senator Xenophon interested in a deeper look at this?
If these rumours are true, what is the Minister for Mascot going to do?
Also rumoured is that at least some of the high level changes at the senior management level in recent months is due to one arrogant small weenered out of touch pensioner who needs to resign due to his out of touch dimwitted mentality. Perhaps said person needs to go and start taking long walks in the afternoon sun, take nanny naps at lunch time, indulge in an adequate amount of Reminyl, Zyprexa and I imagine Viagra, and leave aviation to those who are intelligent, fresh and not in need of a hip replacement?
OINK OINK