Why the demise of QF29 HKG-LHR?
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the 777. would be ideal to have that aircraft leave LHR at noon.
in addition the Syd centric management forgets that their are nearly the same amount of potential customers residing in Mel then in Syd. flights to JNB,EZE,BOM etc. would be ideal to share between Syd & Mel. Even the transfer between domestic and international is much easier.
in addition the Syd centric management forgets that their are nearly the same amount of potential customers residing in Mel then in Syd. flights to JNB,EZE,BOM etc. would be ideal to share between Syd & Mel. Even the transfer between domestic and international is much easier.
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The logic is right its all about relativity.
on HKG-LHR QF aircraft sit on the ground, BA, CX, VS don't
on SYD/MEL-USA, yes QF aircraft sit on the ground unproductively, but so do VA, UA, DL (albeit the latter two at the Aussie end)
All I can say is think goodness Hawaii isn't independent with lots of oil wealth to invest in other assets.
The logic is right its all about relativity.
on HKG-LHR QF aircraft sit on the ground, BA, CX, VS don't
on SYD/MEL-USA, yes QF aircraft sit on the ground unproductively, but so do VA, UA, DL (albeit the latter two at the Aussie end)
All I can say is think goodness Hawaii isn't independent with lots of oil wealth to invest in other assets.
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I dont know about the HKG saga...but i will tell you what i know...
QF....MEL-LHR for 2 Pax = $3991 (Y class sale price)
Jet Airways (NO not Jet Star...Jet Airways...9W)
(stop=stopover at MY request so i can see the sites for a few days (each)
MEL-SIN (stop)-BOM (stop)-LHR(stop)-PRG(stop)-BRU-DEL(stop)-SIN(stop)-MEL....2 PAX...$3772...(Y class advance purchase price)
Talk about bang for your buck....And the MEL-SIN and SIN-MEL flights are on a QF aircraft....the LHR-PRG on ezyjet...and PRG-BRU on brussels airlines...
And you get an extra inch of legroom in Y class on 9W than QF...better food, and trolley dollies that actually give a stuff about you...
Last trip i did (SIN-DEL) (stupidly paid double as i bought a QF codeshare ticket) with 9W i got a 1/4 chicken & chips, Vegies, with a salad and bread and butter pudding covered in solid golden syrup for desert...washed down with enough scotch to hurt me....
So you should be asking....Why would you even consider flying QF on a clapped out 400...squeezed in like cattle...treated like cattle...and fed a selection of restaurant inspired...ummm...stuff....
QF....MEL-LHR for 2 Pax = $3991 (Y class sale price)
Jet Airways (NO not Jet Star...Jet Airways...9W)
(stop=stopover at MY request so i can see the sites for a few days (each)
MEL-SIN (stop)-BOM (stop)-LHR(stop)-PRG(stop)-BRU-DEL(stop)-SIN(stop)-MEL....2 PAX...$3772...(Y class advance purchase price)
Talk about bang for your buck....And the MEL-SIN and SIN-MEL flights are on a QF aircraft....the LHR-PRG on ezyjet...and PRG-BRU on brussels airlines...
And you get an extra inch of legroom in Y class on 9W than QF...better food, and trolley dollies that actually give a stuff about you...
Last trip i did (SIN-DEL) (stupidly paid double as i bought a QF codeshare ticket) with 9W i got a 1/4 chicken & chips, Vegies, with a salad and bread and butter pudding covered in solid golden syrup for desert...washed down with enough scotch to hurt me....
So you should be asking....Why would you even consider flying QF on a clapped out 400...squeezed in like cattle...treated like cattle...and fed a selection of restaurant inspired...ummm...stuff....
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Ah Yes.... Jet Airways.... currently receiving 5/10 on Skytrax....the comments make for interesting reading. I like the 2 below:
Jet Connect from CCU to MAA. The flight was delayed beyond acceptable limits. The ground staff was not at all apologetic. The cabin crew was equally nonchalant. To get some water I had to ask thric - another person had to argue with cabin crew to get a pillow. Though it was a lunch-time flight they did not load enough lunch packets and some of us had only tea. Timeliness, attitude and service quality of Jet Airways seem to have gone down significantly.
Or,
If you like curry for breakfast, lunch, dinner and tea, you are quids in. The lack of food choice was terrible. Even my two travelling companies who enjoy a nice curry baulked at the idea of curry for breakfast. The service was poor, waiting a long time for staff to respond to a call for water, which was extremely lacking - often we had to wait until dinner was served to get a drink. We were well prepared for the journey back and stocked up on snacks as we knew we wouldn't be eating any of the meals on this airline. Would not use Jet Airways again.
Brussels Airline is slightly better at 5.9/10 and Easy Jet a nice balanced 6/10.
Qantas, the airline everybody loves to hate is sitting at 7.4.... Virgin is on the rise at 7.7.....
Jet Connect from CCU to MAA. The flight was delayed beyond acceptable limits. The ground staff was not at all apologetic. The cabin crew was equally nonchalant. To get some water I had to ask thric - another person had to argue with cabin crew to get a pillow. Though it was a lunch-time flight they did not load enough lunch packets and some of us had only tea. Timeliness, attitude and service quality of Jet Airways seem to have gone down significantly.
Or,
If you like curry for breakfast, lunch, dinner and tea, you are quids in. The lack of food choice was terrible. Even my two travelling companies who enjoy a nice curry baulked at the idea of curry for breakfast. The service was poor, waiting a long time for staff to respond to a call for water, which was extremely lacking - often we had to wait until dinner was served to get a drink. We were well prepared for the journey back and stocked up on snacks as we knew we wouldn't be eating any of the meals on this airline. Would not use Jet Airways again.
Brussels Airline is slightly better at 5.9/10 and Easy Jet a nice balanced 6/10.
Qantas, the airline everybody loves to hate is sitting at 7.4.... Virgin is on the rise at 7.7.....
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National Carrier For Sale - make us an offer!
When are we going to realize that total private ownership and globalization policies inevitably destroy so called "national carriers". The only thing guaranteed in the airline business is volatility. Without the security of government backing, airline management always look for the easiest option when cost cutting - the labour force. The seeds of destruction were planted in 1993 with the push for full privatization of the 2 national airlines. A total re-shape and offshore solution is the only way this can end, however if the process had been properly mapped, communicated, and implemented to the staff and public since 1993 we may have seen a much better outcome.
Chicken Joe, 1 question. Have the likes of Emirates decided that an off shore solution is the way to go?
From letters in the SMH on Wed 23rd Nov 2011
From letters in the SMH on Wed 23rd Nov 2011
Qantas dispute a wake-up call to Canberra
While attention in Australia is focused on the struggles between Qantas management and its employees (''More passenger pain possible as Qantas dispute heads to umpire'', November 22), we also see news from Dubai that Emirates airline has just announced plans to acquire 50 more Boeing 777 aircraft.
We wonder whether anyone in Australia has connected these dots.
The seeds of Qantas's challenges were sown more than 15 years ago, when Australia's government granted virtually unrestricted air access rights to foreign state-owned carriers such as Emirates.
Emirates is now the largest international airline in the world, ostensibly serving a country slightly larger than Tasmania with a population the size of the greater Sydney area. This airline has grown disproportionately, not by serving its own minuscule market, but by dumping capacity into markets like Australia, pulling passengers destined for other international locations through its state-built super-hub.
The Arabian Gulf states operate their airlines as instruments of economic development policy. Their vertically integrated business models include everyone from the head of state to the janitorial staff, including regulators, navigation, airports and support services.
These predatory airlines have dumped so much capacity into the Australian market that your national airline now finds itself in distress. No airline in the developed world could endure such an attack, unless its government is prepared to similarly subsidise its operations and forgive all forms of taxation.
What Australians are witnessing is the result of unsustainable public policy.
While Qantas employees and management battle for the hearts and minds of the public, it was their own government that abandoned to these predators the thousands of Australians who benefit from employment in your aviation industry and many more at its suppliers.
If there is a silver lining for us, it is that we have been able to use Australia as a shining example of what not to do with international air policy. The government of Canada has adopted a far more principled and studied approach.
This is cold comfort for our colleagues at Qantas and the citizens of Australia. The Australian government needs a wake-up call.
Captain Paul Strachan president, Air Canada Pilots Association, Mississauga, Canada
Read more: The customers are the real losers in these wars</H3>
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QF HKG
I just had a cryptic message from someone who'd know, that HKG is to go the way of SFO, DPS, FCO etc. i.e. off the schedule!
Hard to believe but that's the impression I got from reading between the lines. Then again it might be too much reading between the lines!
Hard to believe but that's the impression I got from reading between the lines. Then again it might be too much reading between the lines!
Dome and AQIS...that's the whole point of this thread!
From April HKG-LHR disappears for QF. As does, BKK-LHR. Half of the London capacity disappears just before what is shaping up to be the busiest northern summer ever. Sheer f$&king genius from Alan and network.
From April HKG-LHR disappears for QF. As does, BKK-LHR. Half of the London capacity disappears just before what is shaping up to be the busiest northern summer ever. Sheer f$&king genius from Alan and network.
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QBuzz...
I can find similar comments about Q....examples...
SYD-LAX return in economy A380. Aircraft itself excellent. Flight delayed due to mechanical issue. Cabin crew rude and seemed to want to be anywhere else but working. Food very poor for international flight, even by economy standards. As a FF and long time customer you can feel the crews low moral. I will be trying out the competition next time as I feel standards are slipping while airfares increase.
Brisbane - London return via Hong Kong. HKG-LHR an old 747 showing its age badly, packed in like sardines. Food okay but a curious mixture of things. Staff on some sectors good, on other sectors totally disinterested or invisible. All in all a very mixed bag, which will make me fly TG, SQ, or CX next time.
I am merely saying that MY choice of airline was due to 2 factors.....
1...Price
2...Service vs price
My previous long hauls with 9W were faultless...as have been the majority of my QF experiences...but for me...QF no longer provides the $ vs service it once did. As an example...i flew 3 x (as Pax) the (showing my age) SYD-LHR via SIN and BAH...meals every 3 hours..service like a restaurant...worth the $...
RE the QF29...again...why would you take something from your customers that they want? Like SFO?
It is a strange choice. Unless the reason to stop at HKG is so QF can feed its new asian start up, charge the same price, and skim more profit...that simple.
I can find similar comments about Q....examples...
SYD-LAX return in economy A380. Aircraft itself excellent. Flight delayed due to mechanical issue. Cabin crew rude and seemed to want to be anywhere else but working. Food very poor for international flight, even by economy standards. As a FF and long time customer you can feel the crews low moral. I will be trying out the competition next time as I feel standards are slipping while airfares increase.
Brisbane - London return via Hong Kong. HKG-LHR an old 747 showing its age badly, packed in like sardines. Food okay but a curious mixture of things. Staff on some sectors good, on other sectors totally disinterested or invisible. All in all a very mixed bag, which will make me fly TG, SQ, or CX next time.
I am merely saying that MY choice of airline was due to 2 factors.....
1...Price
2...Service vs price
My previous long hauls with 9W were faultless...as have been the majority of my QF experiences...but for me...QF no longer provides the $ vs service it once did. As an example...i flew 3 x (as Pax) the (showing my age) SYD-LHR via SIN and BAH...meals every 3 hours..service like a restaurant...worth the $...
RE the QF29...again...why would you take something from your customers that they want? Like SFO?
It is a strange choice. Unless the reason to stop at HKG is so QF can feed its new asian start up, charge the same price, and skim more profit...that simple.
