Geoffery Thomas...again
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Compare that with this.
Qantas game plan under pressure as more strikes loom | Plane Talking
Can't stand Sunrise. Being schreeched at by David Koch on speed don't work for me over brekky.
Qantas game plan under pressure as more strikes loom | Plane Talking
Can't stand Sunrise. Being schreeched at by David Koch on speed don't work for me over brekky.
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Geoffrey Thomas ? More like a 'John Thomas'.
Geoffrey, your reports are complete and utter ****e. Pretty much everything you utter about aviation (when it comes to fact) should be dried out and used as fertilizer around Mascot's hub of excellence.
You are a tosspot, a complete nupty and your on air pieces are about as interesting as Joyce's double chin or Worthless manly eye brows.
Geoffrey, your reports are complete and utter ****e. Pretty much everything you utter about aviation (when it comes to fact) should be dried out and used as fertilizer around Mascot's hub of excellence.
You are a tosspot, a complete nupty and your on air pieces are about as interesting as Joyce's double chin or Worthless manly eye brows.
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Folks, go easy on the insults to protect your OWN ass. Lawyers and defamation proceedings could be a wealth hazard.
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Typical union response. You guys can play as dirty as you like, call strikes, tell lies, cancel strikes at the last second, disrupt the public, call on the public NOT to use your own services but you still are thin-skinned cry babies when you get a bit back. Pathetic little sheep being led blindly along by a couple of union meat-heads on the promise of union victory.
All you have done is confirm to the public that you are overpaid sooks with no work ethic. The public hates you and does not support your greed. Qantas will only benefit from your childish union spluttering so keep on going guys, keep digging yourself deeper. See how smug you are in 12 months when you you are no better off.
All you have done is confirm to the public that you are overpaid sooks with no work ethic. The public hates you and does not support your greed. Qantas will only benefit from your childish union spluttering so keep on going guys, keep digging yourself deeper. See how smug you are in 12 months when you you are no better off.
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Do you HONESTLY think Geoffery Thomas or any other journalist is on Qantas's payroll, or are you (like you do with Alan Joyce or anyone else who disagrees with your position) just attacking the man instead of the ball? 
Either way, I suspect you're all dillusional, and I can't understand why the mods allow such drivel (and I suspect, slander) to be posted and left up for more than five minutes.
Either way, I suspect you're all dillusional, and I can't understand why the mods allow such drivel (and I suspect, slander) to be posted and left up for more than five minutes.
Geoffrey Thomas doesn't even have the decency to refute the claim made by the ABC and other media organisations that he is an 'aviation expert'. He regularly and happily masquerades under that description when in fact he is a 'common or garden' newspaper journalist. To the best of my knowlege he has no aviation qualifications of any kind. Where the term originally came from is anybody's guess, but was a possibly a throw away line from an over friendly radio announcer when about to interview him. A less apt description I have never heard. Just another of the many 'ticks' hanging off aviations emaciated carcass without contributing a single positive outcome. His reporting is, in my opinion, extremely partisan and usually just a repetition of management 'spin'. In reporting aviation incidents, the tone of his reports seems to vary according to the 'company' involved. He is a 'CEO propaganda link' to the press and long term Pprune followers will no doubt have noticed his connection with one 'highly mobile' executive who has groomed his attention over many years.
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You have no idea what I believe, what I am or what I KNOW to be fact.
I can tell you one thing, when it comes to this matter, naive ("naieve?") isn't one of them.
Kind of ironic that people on this forum refer to GT as a troll...pots, kettles folks!
You have no idea what I believe, what I am or what I KNOW to be fact. I can tell you one thing, when it comes to this matter, naive ("naieve?") isn't one of them.
Kind of ironic that people on this forum refer to GT as a troll...pots, kettles folks!
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FoxtrotAlpha18:
You are absolutely correct. Troll is far to nice a term to describe him.
Kind of ironic that people on this forum refer to GT as a troll
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Sounds like you are doing a little trolling yourself there, FA-18. Or are you going to tell me that these people aren't entitled to their opinions if if doesnt coincide with your ultra right wing views?
No sense shutting them down my friend, this is a discussion board, and opinons are what keeps it going.
Since we are on opinions, here's mine. Whilst I hate what is being done to Qantas and the employees, I'm not a big union person, but one must be suspect about the gross errors being made by journalists, despite an awareness that what they say is not true. One must ask, why are they seemingly biased?
We do know that GT has previously been contracted by QF, and seems to have carried a management bias for years now. This mornings effort does nothing to contradict any suspicions that one might have, does it?
No sense shutting them down my friend, this is a discussion board, and opinons are what keeps it going.
Since we are on opinions, here's mine. Whilst I hate what is being done to Qantas and the employees, I'm not a big union person, but one must be suspect about the gross errors being made by journalists, despite an awareness that what they say is not true. One must ask, why are they seemingly biased?
We do know that GT has previously been contracted by QF, and seems to have carried a management bias for years now. This mornings effort does nothing to contradict any suspicions that one might have, does it?
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Two pieces of irony there...
1 - you call yourself 'balance'...
and...
2 - you call me right wing! I swing from a different side of the fence thank you!
As I've said before, I have no dog in this Qantas fight, and I respect a worker's right to withhold their labour.
My comments are SOLELY directed at the slanderous, personal attacks on individuals on this forum, and NOT at who is right and who is wrong in this dispute. Wouldn't be necessary if the moderators actually moderated this forum!
outta here... forever!
1 - you call yourself 'balance'...
and...
2 - you call me right wing!
I swing from a different side of the fence thank you! As I've said before, I have no dog in this Qantas fight, and I respect a worker's right to withhold their labour.
My comments are SOLELY directed at the slanderous, personal attacks on individuals on this forum, and NOT at who is right and who is wrong in this dispute. Wouldn't be necessary if the moderators actually moderated this forum!
outta here... forever!
If I were a journalist and I was going to be commenting on particulars of an ongoing dispute.
1) I would take note of what party A says (They get paid $170,000 average)
2) I would take note of what party B says (No we don't)
3) I would conduct my own research http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/agre...N085259566.pdf such as here for Qantas LAME EBA 8
4) Find it very hard to come to a conclusion that party A is telling the truth when even at the highest rate of pay, plus the highest shift penalties, the figure still doesn't come close to the "AVERAGE".
5) Realise that for $170,000 to be average, a small percentage people would be earning well over the average to to counteract the fact that the vast majority don't earn anything remotely resembling the average.
6) Refer to the Journalists Code of Ethics pertinent points as below.
1) I would take note of what party A says (They get paid $170,000 average)
2) I would take note of what party B says (No we don't)
3) I would conduct my own research http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/agre...N085259566.pdf such as here for Qantas LAME EBA 8
4) Find it very hard to come to a conclusion that party A is telling the truth when even at the highest rate of pay, plus the highest shift penalties, the figure still doesn't come close to the "AVERAGE".
5) Realise that for $170,000 to be average, a small percentage people would be earning well over the average to to counteract the fact that the vast majority don't earn anything remotely resembling the average.
6) Refer to the Journalists Code of Ethics pertinent points as below.
4. Do not allow personal interest, or any belief, commitment, payment, gift or benefit, to undermine your accuracy, fairness or independence.
5. Disclose conflicts of interest that affect, or could be seen to affect, the accuracy, fairness or independence of your journalism. Do not improperly use a journalistic position for personal gain.
6. Do not allow advertising or other commercial considerations to undermine accuracy, fairness or independence.
5. Disclose conflicts of interest that affect, or could be seen to affect, the accuracy, fairness or independence of your journalism. Do not improperly use a journalistic position for personal gain.
6. Do not allow advertising or other commercial considerations to undermine accuracy, fairness or independence.
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FoxtrotAlpha18, chill.
Everything is getting a bit heated, then some dill comes along on the forum and throws petrol on the fire with a bit of quite flagrant trolling (and no I'm not referring to you - I think we all know who I'm talking about).
There are many angry little bunnies out there at the moment because we are seeing more and more everyday examples of the Qantas spin-machine telling quite blatant porky-pies. The sort which, if it were me telling them as a kid, would earn me several strokes of the cane handled feather-duster from my mother plus a threat that my nose would grow as long as Pinocchio's.
What then amplifies this problem is the fact that investigative journalism, or even journalistic cross-checking, has largely ceased to exist in the modern-day media. I don't know why, but it certainly has. They just regurgitate the press release, and Qantas will continue to give their PR department unlimited resources and an extremely long leash for that stuff while the dispute continues.
Then the meat in the sandwich really is Joe Public. Joe Public is sometimes (and I accept the fact that some are smart enough not to be) easily swayed by stuff he hears and reads, especially when the added influence of his own personal political biases is considered. That's just human nature when you're unaware of other surrounding facts. This becomes frustrating if you're a Qantas pilot like myself. You get phone calls from relatives asking if you really earn half a million dollars per year. Is it true that you're demanding 10 free First Class International return tickets per year, and if so, can your 2nd cousin twice removed from Widgiemooltha please have one? Can your Aunty Mary please use your free facial voucher in the Qantas First Class Lounge? And on, and on, it goes.
No-one seriously believes (I don't think) that Thomas is on the Qantas payroll. However they are entitled to be a bit peeved that he regurgitates Qantas spin without checking facts.
Everything is getting a bit heated, then some dill comes along on the forum and throws petrol on the fire with a bit of quite flagrant trolling (and no I'm not referring to you - I think we all know who I'm talking about).
There are many angry little bunnies out there at the moment because we are seeing more and more everyday examples of the Qantas spin-machine telling quite blatant porky-pies. The sort which, if it were me telling them as a kid, would earn me several strokes of the cane handled feather-duster from my mother plus a threat that my nose would grow as long as Pinocchio's.
What then amplifies this problem is the fact that investigative journalism, or even journalistic cross-checking, has largely ceased to exist in the modern-day media. I don't know why, but it certainly has. They just regurgitate the press release, and Qantas will continue to give their PR department unlimited resources and an extremely long leash for that stuff while the dispute continues.
Then the meat in the sandwich really is Joe Public. Joe Public is sometimes (and I accept the fact that some are smart enough not to be) easily swayed by stuff he hears and reads, especially when the added influence of his own personal political biases is considered. That's just human nature when you're unaware of other surrounding facts. This becomes frustrating if you're a Qantas pilot like myself. You get phone calls from relatives asking if you really earn half a million dollars per year. Is it true that you're demanding 10 free First Class International return tickets per year, and if so, can your 2nd cousin twice removed from Widgiemooltha please have one? Can your Aunty Mary please use your free facial voucher in the Qantas First Class Lounge? And on, and on, it goes.
No-one seriously believes (I don't think) that Thomas is on the Qantas payroll. However they are entitled to be a bit peeved that he regurgitates Qantas spin without checking facts.
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You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Don't underestimate the intelligence of Australians. Our Government seems to regularly underestimate Australian opinions, as the Polls confirm.
Like any Australian, Geoff Thomas is entitled to his opinion and it should be respected as his personal opinion. History will ultimately reveal whether he is correct or not.
But his opinion is unlikely to have any real impact on the opinions of average Australians.
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Don't underestimate the intelligence of Australians. Our Government seems to regularly underestimate Australian opinions, as the Polls confirm.
Like any Australian, Geoff Thomas is entitled to his opinion and it should be respected as his personal opinion. History will ultimately reveal whether he is correct or not.
But his opinion is unlikely to have any real impact on the opinions of average Australians.
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Yer, here's the link for those who haven't yet seen Geoff's latest.
Turbulent times for Qantas - Sunrise - Yahoo!7 TV
Geoff, the 3% wage increase is inflation. It's NOT as if were asking for 71% & while we are talking CEO wages. I was reading the CEO of CX pull's about 1.6 million. Far cry from our head man. But for me, the money isn't the important part (even though I'm along way short of 170k myself). The fact that this company, in my opinion is not being run as well as it could be. Like so many people have said before. Wrong aircraft, not enough route's yada yada yada. Furthermore, if you can't see AJ wanting to outsource more and more and more until we are a shell, then you wanna get those glasses re-checked. Qantas is Australian & damm it, this is where it should stay.
Lastly Geoff and this is deadset. We've met. Stange how when you talked with me, QF bosses were the one's that were bringing our airline down. Not the staff. I remember after that chat I was thinking to myself "maybe this guy isn't an ...." Boy, was I wrong.
Next time I wanna her from an "Avaition expert" I'll be turn to Ben Sandilands.
Turbulent times for Qantas - Sunrise - Yahoo!7 TV
Geoff, the 3% wage increase is inflation. It's NOT as if were asking for 71% & while we are talking CEO wages. I was reading the CEO of CX pull's about 1.6 million. Far cry from our head man. But for me, the money isn't the important part (even though I'm along way short of 170k myself). The fact that this company, in my opinion is not being run as well as it could be. Like so many people have said before. Wrong aircraft, not enough route's yada yada yada. Furthermore, if you can't see AJ wanting to outsource more and more and more until we are a shell, then you wanna get those glasses re-checked. Qantas is Australian & damm it, this is where it should stay.
Lastly Geoff and this is deadset. We've met. Stange how when you talked with me, QF bosses were the one's that were bringing our airline down. Not the staff. I remember after that chat I was thinking to myself "maybe this guy isn't an ...." Boy, was I wrong.
Next time I wanna her from an "Avaition expert" I'll be turn to Ben Sandilands.