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There are a lot of QF pilots that are familiar with the story of why AJ decided to get a PSA check. Not even a call to say thank you for convincing him to get a check done. Can't say any more that that!
The Big Lie
Well may QF Unions be accused of following the North American Union playbook by the Spokesmodel....
Better than the 3rd Reichs Propaganda playbook
Better than the 3rd Reichs Propaganda playbook
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Organ Grinder's Monkey
Joyce is merely the monkey in this scenario.Clifford is the organ grinder calling the shots.The reason(and its been said before)Joyce got the big gig is because he is compliant and grateful.When this is all over he goes back home with a bucket full of loot and away from the ire of the Australian population and Qantas employees.
Dixon,Clifford and Oldmeadow play a very long game.Even if they leave or curl up their toes the game is in embedded into corporate DNA.Indifferent government and a media made compliant by advertising dollars all contribute to the perpetuation of the grand plan.The current negotiations are a minor nuisance to these Machiavellian morons
Dixon,Clifford and Oldmeadow play a very long game.Even if they leave or curl up their toes the game is in embedded into corporate DNA.Indifferent government and a media made compliant by advertising dollars all contribute to the perpetuation of the grand plan.The current negotiations are a minor nuisance to these Machiavellian morons
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Originally Posted by schlong hauler
There are a lot of QF pilots that are familiar with the story of why AJ decided to get a PSA check. Not even a call to say thank you for convincing him to get a check done. Can't say any more that that!
M.M right out and asked me about my PSA, I was able to tell him that I knew what mine was, and made sure it was checked regularly.
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Okay let me put this together so a 6 yr old can understand it. The Leprechaun reckons the A380 skippers get more than him, okay fair enuf he has a right to be silly as a wheel!. Well that being the case the way I see it whomever earns the most in a Co ought to be at the top leading the way so it's about time the QF board of ***** (Insert words that suit yr distaste for same) put an A380 skipper at the helm! Now wouldn't that be a hoot...........someone whom knows aviation to run an aviation Co............nah......'tell him he's dreamin'!
As for getting rid of a 1000 employees....might as well tell 'em all they have cancer, same thing, killing them in a different way!
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As for getting rid of a 1000 employees....might as well tell 'em all they have cancer, same thing, killing them in a different way!
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short flights long nights
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But how to get rid of Joyce and Clifford? They only thing you people have left is a mass walkout from EVERY section. Close the airline down, the Govt. (for want of a better word) will then step in and every thinking Aussie will then realise something is terribly wrong with management, and terribly wrong in the company. A huge decision I know, but obviously you all cannot go on like this, you can detect the distress in some of these blogs as your livelihood's are being threatened. All the strikes and pilots PA's are destabilizing for the company, which might in the long turn finally bring Joyce down, but at what cost to the rest of you? It needs to be quick and clean, and it needs somebody with the balls to lead the company, ALL of the company in revolt. I know it all sounds far fetched, but what is your alternative. The bloke is taking the company to the wall, knowingly taking the company to the wall, whether it is to bring it to its knees, fire the lot of you and bring you back on JQ contracts or what, I have not a clue. We all know Asia, we all know how the Asians feel about us, Japan tolerates, Indonesia loathes, Philippines needs our support, Thailand needs our tourists, China does not need help from anyone. Do they need our airline, well, no. Asia is littered with the bones of companies who thought that the Asians could be bought, it would all be money for jam, and why Joyce is going down this path is a absolute mystery, or absolute stupidity. Look at TE, going gangbusters, CX ditto, happy and thriving in their own little patch, and here is QF taking on the world, madness. Something has got to give here, sooner or later, and far better that is be managment, and have somebody who knows what they are doing take over, be it Norris or whoever, lets hope its sooner.
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Teresa,
That kind of technique has been used before and it didn't work, what year was it again ?. The company does not care if you resign, you will be replaced, you will lose your family home and not be able to feed your children, F^&K that.
The path being followed is the correct one, a war on share prices, profitability and public perception, hit them in their KPI's and company profitability.
Perhaps AIPA should launch a defamation claim for telling lies that would be damaging, i.e. A380 Captains earn more than "him", its on public record and you'd be going after him personally. By saying such things, public perception could be changed, damage done................
They only thing you people have left is a mass walkout from EVERY section
The path being followed is the correct one, a war on share prices, profitability and public perception, hit them in their KPI's and company profitability.
Perhaps AIPA should launch a defamation claim for telling lies that would be damaging, i.e. A380 Captains earn more than "him", its on public record and you'd be going after him personally. By saying such things, public perception could be changed, damage done................
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Perhaps AIPA should launch a defamation claim for telling lies that would be damaging, i.e. A380 Captains earn more than "him", its on public record and you'd be going after him personally. By saying such things, public perception could be changed, damage done................
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No, you people have the faulty calculator. Mr Joyce received a fixed pay of $2.04 million and $2.2 short term incentives according to the SMH. Fixed pay and incentives are not the same thing!
Therefore $2,040,000 / 5,840 hours (16 hours x 365 days) = $349 hourly rate. Incentives are at risk! - you can't take out a mortgage on incentives. Incentives are not pay, they are not "bankable". Repeat after me incentives are not pay.
When you factor in overtime,training, , superannuation, annual/sick/long service leave, allowances, sundries that's what an A380 Captain gets (standard rate = $269.16 per credit hour) per stick hour.
When are you people going to learn to compare apples with apples.
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Therefore $2,040,000 / 5,840 hours (16 hours x 365 days) = $349 hourly rate. Incentives are at risk! - you can't take out a mortgage on incentives. Incentives are not pay, they are not "bankable". Repeat after me incentives are not pay.
When you factor in overtime,training, , superannuation, annual/sick/long service leave, allowances, sundries that's what an A380 Captain gets (standard rate = $269.16 per credit hour) per stick hour.
When are you people going to learn to compare apples with apples.
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Mass walk out is not the answer because it will play into their hands.
There are issues that are coming up that deserve a fair serve back and which are not getting oxygen, while the company gets all the PR they want at no cost to them.
There are ways to pour petrol on these fires without risking jobs eg media council, asic, accc etc etc and for the life of me I dont understand why no one is playing as smart as the other guys and merely hold the central line while they keep dictating.
I don't see any consequences for the company as yet for anything they have done other than a pissed off workforce which is what they want. If you think otherwise, I think you are dreaming.
The AGM is another matter and lets hope someone gets that strategy right and I cannot wait for the company to create a diversion 1 or 2 days out which I am willing to put money on.
There are issues that are coming up that deserve a fair serve back and which are not getting oxygen, while the company gets all the PR they want at no cost to them.
There are ways to pour petrol on these fires without risking jobs eg media council, asic, accc etc etc and for the life of me I dont understand why no one is playing as smart as the other guys and merely hold the central line while they keep dictating.
I don't see any consequences for the company as yet for anything they have done other than a pissed off workforce which is what they want. If you think otherwise, I think you are dreaming.
The AGM is another matter and lets hope someone gets that strategy right and I cannot wait for the company to create a diversion 1 or 2 days out which I am willing to put money on.
Thanks for pointing out our misconceptions Brekky B...
Poor AJ slaving away for a paltry 2.04 million, 16 hrs per day every day of the year.
I seem to recall JB admitting that during the APA fiasco no one was actually running QF for 6 months..... Forgive me for not accepting our Dear Leaders assertion at face value.
Now imagine Captain Richard Champion de Crespigny for a moment following the inspirational lead provided by our "mentors" mentor by falling asleep at the wheel...
Poor AJ slaving away for a paltry 2.04 million, 16 hrs per day every day of the year.
I seem to recall JB admitting that during the APA fiasco no one was actually running QF for 6 months..... Forgive me for not accepting our Dear Leaders assertion at face value.
Now imagine Captain Richard Champion de Crespigny for a moment following the inspirational lead provided by our "mentors" mentor by falling asleep at the wheel...
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The way I see it ....
If the sentiments shown in PPRUNE are representative of the majority of Qantas employees, then it's fair to say that ... Qantas Staff are well and truly pissed off
With Qantas' foray into Asia, the company will require a fair amount of employee engagement to get through the inevitable change, hurdles and hard times. Obviously, this will be in short supply, considering the general staff sentiment.
Qantas will therefore need to either ... change their strategy and work towards placating their Staff and rebuild morale; or, employ local Asian staff and "beat them into engagement".
The alternative scenario is .... failure.
The bottom line is ... Qantas NEED their staff onside.
IF they realise this ... then it's a good bargaining tool for the Staff. If they don't, then it's the alternative scenario for you all.
P.S. I just can't see the leopard changing its spots ... under the current regime.
If the sentiments shown in PPRUNE are representative of the majority of Qantas employees, then it's fair to say that ... Qantas Staff are well and truly pissed off
With Qantas' foray into Asia, the company will require a fair amount of employee engagement to get through the inevitable change, hurdles and hard times. Obviously, this will be in short supply, considering the general staff sentiment.
Qantas will therefore need to either ... change their strategy and work towards placating their Staff and rebuild morale; or, employ local Asian staff and "beat them into engagement".
The alternative scenario is .... failure.
The bottom line is ... Qantas NEED their staff onside.
IF they realise this ... then it's a good bargaining tool for the Staff. If they don't, then it's the alternative scenario for you all.
P.S. I just can't see the leopard changing its spots ... under the current regime.
Things won't change at Qantas, there is no way the airline will improve until AJ and the upper management take some kind of ownership for the so called failures of the international arm of the airline, and start investing in the (Qantas) brand again.
This recent interview just goes to show how out of touch Joyce is with his front line staff, it's a situation that could be so easily resolved. For the last 5 years Qantas has run on the good will of it's staff and he needs to realise this is fast running out. For an airline to take 3 days to recover from a weather event should have warning bells sounding in Coward St, but they are spending too much money doing up their offices to hear them.
This recent interview just goes to show how out of touch Joyce is with his front line staff, it's a situation that could be so easily resolved. For the last 5 years Qantas has run on the good will of it's staff and he needs to realise this is fast running out. For an airline to take 3 days to recover from a weather event should have warning bells sounding in Coward St, but they are spending too much money doing up their offices to hear them.
