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You can forget your pie in the sky dreaming of a middle eastern carrier basing pilots in Australia.........EVER!
They'd just about rather close the airline down than loosen the rains of control they have over the pilots while they live and work in their countries. They want you there with your families, living by their rules, spending your pay in their economies.
Senior pilots in Emirates have been pushing for overseas bases for pilots for the last 20+ years with doughnut to show for the effort
. To spite the fact that they've demonstrated it would actually be cheapper for the airline!
Besides, could you imagine the riot you'd start in Dubai and Qatar if you offered not only DEC to new hires, BUT based in Australia. They'd make the pro democracy riots in Egypt at the start of the year look like a lazy Sunday BBQ with one or two mates over.
It's a Chinese carrier. My bet is China Southern. Or Hanan Airlines as a dark horse.
The Monster.
They'd just about rather close the airline down than loosen the rains of control they have over the pilots while they live and work in their countries. They want you there with your families, living by their rules, spending your pay in their economies.
Senior pilots in Emirates have been pushing for overseas bases for pilots for the last 20+ years with doughnut to show for the effort
. To spite the fact that they've demonstrated it would actually be cheapper for the airline!Besides, could you imagine the riot you'd start in Dubai and Qatar if you offered not only DEC to new hires, BUT based in Australia. They'd make the pro democracy riots in Egypt at the start of the year look like a lazy Sunday BBQ with one or two mates over.
It's a Chinese carrier. My bet is China Southern. Or Hanan Airlines as a dark horse.
The Monster.
Not that I would be looking, but aren't most Chinese contracts only for 2yrs?
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Australia based but 6 on 3 off or 4 on 2 off.
Seems like the deal will be 6 weeks away from Aus, then 3 weeks off at home.
Not really a basing then is it??
More of a commute job.
Seems like the deal will be 6 weeks away from Aus, then 3 weeks off at home.
Not really a basing then is it??
More of a commute job.
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Australia based but 6 on 3 off or 4 on 2 off.
Seems like the deal will be 6 weeks away from Aus, then 3 weeks off at home.
Not really a basing then is it??
More of a commute job.
Seems like the deal will be 6 weeks away from Aus, then 3 weeks off at home.
Not really a basing then is it??
More of a commute job.
I don't get it either?
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As already pointed out a 6/3 or 4/2 pattern by no stretch of any imagination is a basing - outright commute.
And..."based" in Oz but paid in US$$$$??
And..."tax paid", yeah maybe the applicable tax rate in China at best if you're lucky IMHO...and I believe there's a fair difference in tax rates between Oz and China.
Surprisingly the higher tax rate will not be in China!
For anyone contemplating this (when the real contracts/T&C's finally hit the table) starting from a position of cynicism and distrust may not be a bad thing.
And..."based" in Oz but paid in US$$$$??
And..."tax paid", yeah maybe the applicable tax rate in China at best if you're lucky IMHO...and I believe there's a fair difference in tax rates between Oz and China.
Surprisingly the higher tax rate will not be in China!
For anyone contemplating this (when the real contracts/T&C's finally hit the table) starting from a position of cynicism and distrust may not be a bad thing.
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I would advise anyone to think twice before leaving a good job to work for a Chinese operator, Oz base or not. I know the Air China contract has been " massaged ", after being signed, and as a gweilo you have absolutely zero rights. ( no, you won't be subject to Oz IR and even if u were, the Chinese would ignore it ).
Also if there is any downturn you will find yourself unemployed quicker than u can say " I'll have the dim sum ".
Then there's the little annoying things like, smoking in the flight deck, all the chatter in the FD being in Mandarin, etc.
Enjoy
Also if there is any downturn you will find yourself unemployed quicker than u can say " I'll have the dim sum ".
Then there's the little annoying things like, smoking in the flight deck, all the chatter in the FD being in Mandarin, etc.
Enjoy
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China Southern
Job is China Southern, A330 bases SYD and MEL, likely to be BNE later on.
Also likely to be looking for same for 777 guys later some time apparently according to PARC girl Georgina.
Around 16500 per month - not sure if AUD or USD and 3 years contract I think?
Not sure about the tax but send it to your offshore account, income split salary sacrifice etc it or send via a company might be a way to reduce the tax slightly?
Also , I was told that the guys can write down around 240 per day when out of the country based on the public service per diems... not a tax expert so take all I say with grain of salt...
Also agree with the comments about flight deck culture... and it does seem more of a commuting than basing contract... but hey, who knows ..
WJA
Also likely to be looking for same for 777 guys later some time apparently according to PARC girl Georgina.
Around 16500 per month - not sure if AUD or USD and 3 years contract I think?
Not sure about the tax but send it to your offshore account, income split salary sacrifice etc it or send via a company might be a way to reduce the tax slightly?
Also , I was told that the guys can write down around 240 per day when out of the country based on the public service per diems... not a tax expert so take all I say with grain of salt...
Also agree with the comments about flight deck culture... and it does seem more of a commuting than basing contract... but hey, who knows ..
WJA
As stated before.
If it is similar to the CA gig - and I have no doubt it is in this regard - the company will be covering Chinese tax obligations, which keep the ATO happy.
The "on" time will consist almost entirely of shuttling between ZGGG and your allocated base so you will not be away from home for 4-6 weeks.
"...and as a gweilo you have absolutely zero rights"
Actually, you have many rights as guaranteed by labor law in the country in which the contract has been written, probably Isle of Man. Just because many pilots are too soft to actually stand up for themselves does not mean they are slave laborers.
Home Page - Isle of Man Public Services -
Imagine what you guys could achieve if you spent as much time researching as you do denigrating.
If it is similar to the CA gig - and I have no doubt it is in this regard - the company will be covering Chinese tax obligations, which keep the ATO happy.
The "on" time will consist almost entirely of shuttling between ZGGG and your allocated base so you will not be away from home for 4-6 weeks.
"...and as a gweilo you have absolutely zero rights"
Actually, you have many rights as guaranteed by labor law in the country in which the contract has been written, probably Isle of Man. Just because many pilots are too soft to actually stand up for themselves does not mean they are slave laborers.
Home Page - Isle of Man Public Services -
Imagine what you guys could achieve if you spent as much time researching as you do denigrating.
Oicur, just curious how many mainland china operators you have worked for? do a little research yourself, it does not matter if the contract company you work for is on the moon, you will be at the mercy of the Chinese. Do you really expect people to believe that if there are any contract issues, someone like Parc is going to go into bat for you, against their client, who is over the other side of the world ?? Like I said, follow your lead and do a little research.
Check out the ratio of happy to unhappy campers on the Asia forum.
As for the 16500K, tax paid, good luck with that.
Off to denigrate another thread, ADB out.
Check out the ratio of happy to unhappy campers on the Asia forum.
As for the 16500K, tax paid, good luck with that.
Off to denigrate another thread, ADB out.
the company will be covering Chinese tax obligations, which keep the ATO happy.
Also read some of the threads on working in China, seems to be the case that your Chinese licence is "owned" by the airline you work for and you may find it impossible to change employers later on without a release letter.
“Do you really expect people to believe that if there are any contract issues, someone like Parc is going to go into bat for you, against their client, who is over the other side of the world ??”
Yes, there have been several contractual issues that have been solved by PARC. They need the crew so it’s not in their interest to ignore the contractors as you are suggesting. Some issues remain outstanding but they do in all jobs. The turnover of crew at CA is lower than in some oz airlines for example.
“Like I said, follow your lead and do a little research.”
I don’t need to.
“tax paid, good luck with that.”
Luck plays no part in it. Its exactly how it works with CA crew based in oz. I have no interest in the Southern job but I would be surprised if the tax issue differs from CA.
Care to do a little more research my pedigree chum?
“….your Chinese licence is "owned" by the airline you work for and you may find it impossible to change employers later on without a release letter.”
This is not impossible; several pilots have done it before.
Yes, there have been several contractual issues that have been solved by PARC. They need the crew so it’s not in their interest to ignore the contractors as you are suggesting. Some issues remain outstanding but they do in all jobs. The turnover of crew at CA is lower than in some oz airlines for example.
“Like I said, follow your lead and do a little research.”
I don’t need to.
“tax paid, good luck with that.”
Luck plays no part in it. Its exactly how it works with CA crew based in oz. I have no interest in the Southern job but I would be surprised if the tax issue differs from CA.
Care to do a little more research my pedigree chum?
“….your Chinese licence is "owned" by the airline you work for and you may find it impossible to change employers later on without a release letter.”
This is not impossible; several pilots have done it before.
Nice misquoting Oicur, I said " 16500 tax paid etc " it will be 16500 before tax and if you live in Oz that will be circa 11500 after tax, regardless of how many days you are away.
I have worked for 2 mainland operators and they were both
s, but I guess if you were unemployed anything would look good.
I have worked for 2 mainland operators and they were both
s, but I guess if you were unemployed anything would look good.
These threads would be worth a look for anyone considering a move.
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ork-china.html
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...now-china.html
Be careful of grabbing the first job on offer without doing your research on the company as moving may be very difficult if you find you don't like where you are based or have no chance of fleet progression. That small airline you joined just to get your foot in the door have a pretty strong hold on your ATPL and may make things difficult and expensive when you want to move on.
That said, China Southern would be well up on my list and worth long term consideration.
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...ork-china.html
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...now-china.html
Be careful of grabbing the first job on offer without doing your research on the company as moving may be very difficult if you find you don't like where you are based or have no chance of fleet progression. That small airline you joined just to get your foot in the door have a pretty strong hold on your ATPL and may make things difficult and expensive when you want to move on.
That said, China Southern would be well up on my list and worth long term consideration.