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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 23:01
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Qantasanswers.com.au

Appears QF will go to any length to spin lies and half truths to the public. Their new website Qantasanswers.com.au is a desperate attempt to reverse the tide of public opinion that is swelling against them. Still using a faulty calculator to further their cause it would seem.....



No doubt the website setup cost and maintenance will be billed to mainline international!
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wow

That website just looks like a desperate bid to try and stem the tide of support in favor of the Pilots.
A lot of contradictions in and around those figures they just banded
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Situation summed up superbly, as ever, by Ben Sandilands this morning........



Qantas goes to war with its pilots on social media and shoots down John Travolta
August 3, 2011 – 8:20 am, by Ben Sandilands

John Travolta is the early casualty in the social media dogfight that has broken out between Qantas management and its pilots.

The faded movie star’s main gig, the cabin safety video shown on Qantas flights, is no more. Travolta had been used as an ‘ambassador’ for Qantas for many years as a celebrity figure who also happens to own and pilot a vintage Qantas liveried Boeing 707-138B.

In the safety video Travolta says “There’s no-one I’d rather have at the controls than a Qantas pilot”.

Uh oh. That’s precisely the point being made by Qantas pilots in the statement they make from the cockpit on Qantas services in support of their industrial dispute with management. So, Good-night John!

Simultaneously Qantas management has taken to social media in its dogfight with the pilots, launching qantasanswers.com.au in response to qantaspilots.com.au.

Qantas is announcing wide spread restructuring of its operations on August 24 and its refusal to negotiate job security clauses for long haul pilots who are trained by Qantas and based in Australia under Australian terms and conditions is at the heart of the dispute.

The Australian and International Pilots Association said this morning that it would link its site to the Qantas management site on the various points of difference that have flared concerning the future of the airline, and their jobs, with a view to improving the public debate.
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Qantas’ market share of international flights to and from Australia has also declined significantly - from 35 per cent to 18 per cent.
What an odd admission??? Surely market share is a function of appropriate routes, schedule, tariff, marketing and service?

How can three non "front office" unions be held accountable or responsible for a decline in market share?
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From the three seperate "union" pages on the website:

Qantas values our long-haul pilots and the important work they do

Qantas values our licensed engineers

Qantas values our ground staff and the important work they do
I feel SO valued.

QANTAS "values" all its employees and is willing to go to all the hassle and expense of getting a year 12 IT graduate to do a quick cut-and-paste on three seperate pages to explain to the public how valued we all are.

Wow. I feel the love.
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Management polishing the turd

Hiarious.That website would have to one of the most desperate, poor attempts at the 'blame game' I have seen by any organisation in recent years.
The truth remains this - 'you can't polish the turd'! No matter how hard management try - by rubbing it, polishing it, buffing it and manipulating it , it still remains a turd. These fools just do not get it.

In terms of 'threat to business', why is there not a subheading on the site called 'Management', with a listing of the real money the execs are pulling out of the business to line their pockets, freight fixing scams and other assorted illegal activities which have resulted in fines and punitive damages awarded, management decisons contributing to company losses and the list goes on ?
It is time to reply by setting up a mirror image website which counteracts each lie, misinterpretation, distorted story and falsehood being peddled by a management team crumbling at the seam. Time to up the ante, take the fight to them and fight this one to the death. The real issues are not frontline staff, unions or anything of the sort, the problem is management.

35 000 associated emloyee's can do it ! If every union member chipped in $50.00 into an organised fund we can beat these clowns at their own game through media exposure, websites, Youtube, twitter and Face-book. The time has arrived for ALL employees (except management and Ken Borough), the public, the unions and any other supporters to band together, one united group fighting together.

As has been previously stated, a 90 year icon has been wrecked in 2 years (although the destruction really started after Mr Bowtie took his millions and ran).
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QF Catchup as Usual

Management are playing catch up not only with their business model but also
in the war against their employees.
Ultimately the cost of the war will be greater than the cost of conciliation.
All this is about proving they know what they are doing and saving face.In short.....sheer bloody mindedness.
An old alpha male (Clifford)trying to hang on and failing dismally
When Clifford left Rio Tinto profit and share priced soared
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Recent admissions from Qantas mismanagement confirm that [measured] passenger satisfaction with the flight attendant group is at the highest level in Qantas's history.

So where does the problem lay I wonder........

If every union member chipped in $50.00 into an organised fund we can beat these clowns at their own game through media exposure, websites, Youtube, PPRuNe and FacePPRuNe.
Where do I pay?
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How can three unions be held accountable for a decline in market share?

Because Tail Wheel, in the deluded world of Qantas Management, anything bad that happens is never their fault. Rather it MUST be the fault of 'those employees' and their pesky unions standing in the way.


And everything good that might occur is definitely due to their 'great vision and skill'.
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Very predictable even by Qantas standards. Just goes to show that public perception towards the current industrial actions is swinging rapidly in the workers favour.

Everyone I speak to about this is concerned about the future of the company, with a lot of people disgusted at the way the employees are being treated at the moment. Many have voted with their feet to Virgin.

This tit for tat reply by Qantas is making them look very unprofessional, something that has no place in aviation. Whoever is running the Qantas PR machine at the moment should have a very easy job, but they are making a serious mess of it.
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Qantas initially stated the pilots wage claim was 26%
Qantas pilots strike back over claims of image damage | Herald Sun


Now Qantas is stating it's only 2.5%
Qantas Answers - Australian and International Pilots Association

So who's been misleading the public?
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I'm with you DirectAnywhere...

Certainly been feeling the "love" for a while now... Don't forget the pet names that show the affection management has for us... "rogues" and "kamakazies"...

Oh and I almost forgot about my free coffee voucher, to celebrate the Birthday Bash! It was of such sentimental value that I never spent it, but had it framed and is sitting proud on the wall, next to the jousting sticks!

There was that instantaneous pay rise to $350000 and I believe we are negotiating a further pay rise of some $200000!

They certainly know how to reward valued and loyal staff...
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You've got them rattled guys. Keep it going.

Rumour is Joyce to announce on the 24th that he's stepping down in December. Health issues will be the official line.
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Qantas values its employees - its true - fly to bangkok and negotiate a replacement value!
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Rumour is Joyce to announce on the 24th that he's stepping down in December. Health issues will be the official line.
Now now, do not tease us !!
Health issues you say?
Strained hip from carrying a grossly overweight wallet ?
Bulging disc from straining to pick up that fat paycheck monthly ?
Skinned palms from all the Hi-5's, backslapping and general frivolity undertaken every time a KPI bonus is received ?
Perhaps he caught Hendra virus after sitting on the same chair that Darth used to sit on ?
Internal haemorrhage from an injury sustained falling on his own sword ?

Good riddence if it is true.
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**important**

Do not make a direct link to the site, this will move it up the google search rankings, we don't want that. If you are going to reference it, always refer to it as:

qantas answers [dot] com [dot] au

& never provide a direct link on any social media or other forums.

The google algorithm works by the number of pages that link to it, and the number of times a web site is mentioned on other web sites. The more frequently something appears, the higher it moves up the ranking to the top of the search answers. The best thing to do is simply forget it exists and reference it as infrequently as possible - don't forward it on to your friend family or colleagues.
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Rumour is Joyce to announce on the 24th that he's stepping down in December. Health issues will be the official line
In this little orange man's humble opinion, Joyce is not the primary problem.
Clifford and his cronies on the board are the problem, Joyce is just doing what he's told….as usual.
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And dont forget Buchanan, he is the one out there all the time with the spin and from all appearances deceptions such as NZ contracts, pilot skills, Thai subsidiaries etc etc etc.

The cronies underneath them will dissolve into a puddle once the power base of Clifford, Joyce and Buchanan are neutered.

Everyone keep up the support for Xenaphon (did it yesterday) and keep countering the spin. He clearly has an exocet missile in his pocket if those Thai FA were dismissed as reported and just wait for Buchanan to say, "not our employees and we did not make that decision". Shameful when they were flying in Australia.
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If every union member chipped in $50.00 into an organised fund we can beat these clowns at their own game through media exposure, websites, Youtube, PPRuNe and FacePPRuNe.
Likewise, where do we pay ???
Dont even work for Qantas but im sure I can even convince Mrs Fox to cough up some $$$ with me and try and save Qantas.
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It would be quite funny to see a website set up to raise money to 'fight' Clifford et all on behalf of the Qantas brand and see the Australian public chipping in to the fight!!

SaveQantas.com.au perhaps?

Here's a couple of sites i found to visit while we wait for it….

DontFlyJetstar - A place to share your Jetstar complaints

We could also get this one up the Google rankings by 'talking' about it a lot…

www.Facebook.com/pages/Jetstar-Sucks
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