Xenophon Private Members Bill - Foreign Crews

[airtags]

Need to get a confirmation on that ASAP - if true then Clifford and his team must give BB a red card given his denials. also just backs up the fact that QF culture is not 'just' but aggressively punitive.

Pilots must focus on getting CAO 48 limits to apply to CC as an insurance measure.

Also highlights the need for all crew to forget the BS internal safety reporting systems and go straight to the Regulator - JQ just like QF manages it's SMS by manager emails rather than transparent auditable systems.

[rooboy83]

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Interesting to note there has been no response to my post that Qantas cabin crew receive double the pay, 20% less hours and drastically greater rest periods both at home and while overseas than their colleagues they work next to who are employed by QCCA.

This suggests we are more worried about the rest periods and fatigue management of foreign crew working on Jetstar aircraft, than the well-being and safety of Australian crew.

The foreign based Jetstar crew situation brought to our attention by the media through Senator Xenophon is also happening right under our noses, in our OWN country. No less, these tactics are happening at the "flag carrier", the "premium airline" and the "national icon". So it is not just the low cost carrier guilty of employing such poor standards.

[Ace Wasabe]

QCCA Conditions

QCCA CC are being exploited.
Rosters can be generated to 240hrs/56 day Bid period
Base pay for an F/A is around $36K
There is no bid system...rosters are allocated
No arduous tour of duty provisions
Tours of duty can be in excess of 20hrs in unplanned circumstances.
No minimum rest requirement in the port following an extended TOD
The list goes on...their EBA takes them back to conditions prior to 1974

[MR WOBBLES]

BUDGET airline Ryanair has come under fire for allegedly failing to provide life-saving CPR to a passenger, instead delivering him a sandwich.

Per-Erik Jonsson, 63 went into cardiac arrest during a flight from the UK to his home in Sweden, his stepdaughter Billie Appleton told Fox News.

When he lost consciousness his wife alerted the crew, however it is alleged that they were unprepared to give him treatment.

Instead the staff gave him a sandwich and a drink.

“They said he had low blood pressure and gave him a sandwich and a soda,” she said. “And they made sure he paid for it.”

A nurse, Appleton slapped her stepfather on the chest and he began to breathe again.

Hope this helps as an example Nick

[Fuel-Off]

Why use a European example when we've got one right at home! Wasn't there a case brought forward to The Inquiry with a SIN-DRW JQ flight where the SIN crew were not able to attend to a sick passenger? I'm pretty sure Kelpie can provide a few examples!

Fuel-Off

[1a sound asleep]

BUDGET airline Ryanair has come under fire for allegedly failing to provide life-saving CPR to a passenger

Problem is half of Europe is flying FR. They have 275 Boeings and are one of the most profitable airlines.

And this is where AJ came from. God help Qantas

[skybed]

Rooboy/acewasaby

I am pretty sure the senator is aware of the QCCA conditions.
acewasaby DO NOT put incorrect info on this site. This does not help. Stick to facts.
"No arduous tour of duty provisions" there are limited to 20 hours! you are ask to "volunteer". Unfortunatly too many decide to go on for personal reasons.
Tours of duty can be in excess of 20hrs in unplanned circumstances.Only of you "volunteer" to go on.Say NO
No minimum rest requirement in the port following an extended TOD. Yes, there is minimum rest, look it up in the EBA
FACTS Only Please.

[rooboy83]

I believe my facts detailing the stark difference between QCCA and QAL conditions to be not only accurate; but alarming!

HOw can such an "esteemed", "safety-first" airline be getting away with such discrimination in the workplace?

One look at the the new Virgin Australia CC EBA again demonstrates the philosophy underpinned by Mr Borghetti... look after your people and your business will look after itself.

the Red Rat just doesn't get it!

[DrPepz]

From this link

https://www.singaporeair.com/jsp/cms...pointments.jsp

It seems SIA is recruiting cabin crew from all over Asia, but they eventually have to be based in Singapore. With basic salary of S$3500 a month upon graduation, the annual salary with bonuses and other wage supplements common in Singapore, is about S$50k-ish a year, which is usually tax-free because the salary is structured with a low fixed base.

SIA doesn't discriminate based on nationality though, it seems they all earn the same regardless of whether they're from Japan or Indonesia.

SIA is located in a high cost city surrounded by extremely low-cost countries, and has never ever contemplated setting up crew bases elsewhere.

It's an extremely poisonous working environment when one colleague realises the other colleague is getting paid much more for doing the same work on the same plane.

[skybed]

You are correct

DrPepz it does not help if you have different cost structures aroud the network as in QF. Australia has 2 different international plus NZ and LHR have also different conditions. not good for morale

[ACT Crusader]

Well yesterday in the Parliament Senator X got a process going by moving the following motion,

Senator XENOPHON: To move:

That the following bill be introduced: A Bill for an Act to amend the Air Navigation Act 1920 and the Civil Aviation Act 1988 in relation to aircraft crew, and for related purposes. Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011.

[fdr]

I've said it before. Buchanan is a liar, pure and simple. The thing about liars of course, is to get away with it for any length of time, one must have an exceptional memory.

I can't believe that he and his mate Joyce haven't already been charged with purgery?; KRUSTY34

At the moment what is apparent is that the drivel being sprouted by the company appears to be rather self serving at best, and disingenuous if in polite company.


"purgery" AKA PERJURY.... also known as forswearing, is the willful act of swearing a false oath or affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to a judicial proceeding. That is, the witness falsely promises to tell the truth about matters which affect the outcome of the case. For example, it is not considered perjury to lie about one's age unless age is a factor in determining the legal result, such as eligibility for old age retirement benefits see wiki.

For the Australian Senate, the issue of false statements would be... contempt.

For giving false or misleading information to the shareholders, refer to the ACCC.... see "stock market manipulation", "disseminating false information", "intentionally acting dishonestly".

For civil remedies, any impact to an individual or entity resulting from such information would presumably be actionable as a civil tort;

Misrepresentation is a tort, Bridge LJ, in Howard Marine and Dredging Co. Ltd. v A Ogden & Sons

Negligent Misstatement is a tort, Hedley Byrne v Heller

If (and it would be a big if.... ) the masters of the SS Qantanic are telling porkies... it is not a good thing for a resume.

It won't come to pass unless those that have evidence that can substantiate that the shareholders are being given information that is less than shall we say, "complete", provide that into the public domain, or provide it to the ACCC, Senate or AFP.

[assasin8]

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[Howard Hughes]

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