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I'd say "No problem skipper. All your sectors then." I guess there are a number of ways they could use their powers of command to "legally" subvert the PIA. Of course, being scheduled to fly with a QF management pilot in the current climate is enough to make anyone's mysterious stomach ailment flare up again just before the trip.
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An interesting case study. Is any captain permitted to prohibit an AIPA member from engaging in PIA? If it were PIA regarding uniform, tour of duty, etc, then we'd be rightly up in arms about it and the crew member concerned may be in a spot of bother prohibiting a subordinate from taking part. So why is the PA different?
What it boils down to is if a "workplace right" (ie the right to take PIA) has been impeded by actions that are in any way contrary to "normal" operating procedures.
There is some recent case law on this, I'll try and dig it up.
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The PA's are next to useless. Sure it feels good but garnishing public support and sympathy isn't going to stop AJ's Machiavellian plans or save our jobs!
Government intervention (not likely) or massive disruptions causing FWA to intervene and arbitrate or a united shareholder revolt might achieve something.
Government intervention (not likely) or massive disruptions causing FWA to intervene and arbitrate or a united shareholder revolt might achieve something.
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Originally Posted by dutchroll
Of course, being scheduled to fly with a QF management pilot in the current climate is enough to make anyone's mysterious stomach ailment flare up again just before the trip.
Man up, go along and give em hell!
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The biggest issue is equal salaries for pilots at Jetstar.
How can this rubbish still be printed without it being directly refuted?
Oicur, your views appear to be in the extreme minority - you must be one of the 6% who voted no for PIA.
Judging from managements reaction, those "childish PA's" are working and I'll keep making them until AIPA tell me to stop.
Judging from managements reaction, those "childish PA's" are working and I'll keep making them until AIPA tell me to stop.
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Originally Posted by oicur12.again
Any FO who refused my polite request to refrain from making this childish PA would not be an FO I would enjoy spending 3 days with.
Simultaneously, I would silently ponder your refusal to support action voted for by 94% of the whole pilot group and wonder whose side you were on. And yes indeed it would certainly make it an uncomfortable 3 days, feeling I needed to watch my back continuously.
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Oicar's a yank !!!!! He's either an 89'er out here flying someone's job for them or he's never even heard the bloody PA. Oicar, seriously mate . stick to your own US version of aviation career excellence (great eh?) and let us deal with our PIA without your childish comments. If my F/O wants to make the PA sanctioned by our union, he bloody well can PA his arse off because it's his career at stake, more than ours ....
selfish a'holes have short memories
selfish a'holes have short memories
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Red Ties - made in China?
you guys should be all over your PR team and getting your money back - bad choice buying in China when supporting Australian jobs staying in Australia. everything you do is under scrutiny right now.
“Well clearly Oicurs' enjoyment is a far bigger consideration to the FO than Job Security.”
No, not at all. I just don’t see a connection between job security and the silly PIA actions such as the PA’s and ties.
“your views appear to be in the extreme minority - you must be one of the 6% who voted no for PIA.”
I am not an employee of QF so voting would have been slightly problematic.
"childish PA's are working”.
Really, do you see AJ and the board altering course as a result? Don’t fool yourself into thinking that public opinion is a factor in this.
“and I'll keep making them until AIPA tell me to stop.”
This remark is a telling comment. You are employed by AIPA are you? Who pays your wage?
“Oicar's a yank”
Not last time I checked.
“either an 89'er”
Nope.
“childish comments.”
You may find my comments contrary to your judgment clouded opinion but in what way are they childish?
“He's just a troll.”
Not really sure what a troll is. Just a bored airline pilot. Probably like you.
No, not at all. I just don’t see a connection between job security and the silly PIA actions such as the PA’s and ties.
“your views appear to be in the extreme minority - you must be one of the 6% who voted no for PIA.”
I am not an employee of QF so voting would have been slightly problematic.
"childish PA's are working”.
Really, do you see AJ and the board altering course as a result? Don’t fool yourself into thinking that public opinion is a factor in this.
“and I'll keep making them until AIPA tell me to stop.”
This remark is a telling comment. You are employed by AIPA are you? Who pays your wage?
“Oicar's a yank”
Not last time I checked.
“either an 89'er”
Nope.
“childish comments.”
You may find my comments contrary to your judgment clouded opinion but in what way are they childish?
“He's just a troll.”
Not really sure what a troll is. Just a bored airline pilot. Probably like you.
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Oicur, standing on a picket lines, yelling chants and holding banners is not the only type of industrial tool available these days.
AIPA in my opinion are taking a carefully planned and tactful approach to PIA. Remember that there are multiple unions involved now who are seeking to stop the changes proposed to QF.
At this stage the PA's, Billboards and Ties are merely a tool to educate and inform the public. On all indications this appears to be working. The public, particularly anyone who travels or reads a newspaper, know that 'something' is going on at Qantas. Now its up to the unions to let them know what this is.
If the pilots just walk out on day 1, what are the public going to think? whats this all about?, why are these pilots striking?, aren't they paid a fortune?
Now, when they do start to get disruptions they know why!, they know that the management have had ample opportunities to knock this on the head, and cause minimal to no disruption to the passengers.
I understand that the Qantas Pilots website has been inundated with views and petition sign ups... have you?
This campaign is about more than Qantas pilots, it will set a precedent world wide and most importantly in Australia of what a group of people can achieve collectively, and most importantly send a clear message to the CEO's of Australian companies that, no Australian will support the loss of 1 single job overseas.
I hope this clears up, or perhaps offers you with another perspective on the industrial crisis at Qantas. Hopefully you will support your fellow Aussie pilots and engineers in this campaign
AIPA in my opinion are taking a carefully planned and tactful approach to PIA. Remember that there are multiple unions involved now who are seeking to stop the changes proposed to QF.
At this stage the PA's, Billboards and Ties are merely a tool to educate and inform the public. On all indications this appears to be working. The public, particularly anyone who travels or reads a newspaper, know that 'something' is going on at Qantas. Now its up to the unions to let them know what this is.
If the pilots just walk out on day 1, what are the public going to think? whats this all about?, why are these pilots striking?, aren't they paid a fortune?
Now, when they do start to get disruptions they know why!, they know that the management have had ample opportunities to knock this on the head, and cause minimal to no disruption to the passengers.
I understand that the Qantas Pilots website has been inundated with views and petition sign ups... have you?
This campaign is about more than Qantas pilots, it will set a precedent world wide and most importantly in Australia of what a group of people can achieve collectively, and most importantly send a clear message to the CEO's of Australian companies that, no Australian will support the loss of 1 single job overseas.
I hope this clears up, or perhaps offers you with another perspective on the industrial crisis at Qantas. Hopefully you will support your fellow Aussie pilots and engineers in this campaign
To all of you banging on about AIPA providing ties made in China, I just had a look at my Qantas uniform...
Surprisingly the tie is actually made in Oz. (Awesome)
Hat.....Made in New Zealand. (Not so great)
Shirt...Made in Indonesia. (Getting worse)
Jacket...Made in China. (Surprise Surprise)
Move on shall we??
Surprisingly the tie is actually made in Oz. (Awesome)
Hat.....Made in New Zealand. (Not so great)
Shirt...Made in Indonesia. (Getting worse)
Jacket...Made in China. (Surprise Surprise)
Move on shall we??
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Interesting.
It does make an interesting point.
I know people like comparing pilots to doctors etc. Comparing industry to industry.
That list of the manufacture of uniforms in different companies sums the Australian way up. Do as I say but not as I do. Then again QF wanting to outsource services instead of buying Australian made, yeah a huge comparison but the way Oz has been going for years.
There was another thread on here that was more relevant. Australia is daily going more multicultural, industry must spread to survive. How many Aussie products are infact still that?
Must say though those red ties are very pretty, will look great on the QF float in the mardi gras.....
I know people like comparing pilots to doctors etc. Comparing industry to industry.
That list of the manufacture of uniforms in different companies sums the Australian way up. Do as I say but not as I do. Then again QF wanting to outsource services instead of buying Australian made, yeah a huge comparison but the way Oz has been going for years.
There was another thread on here that was more relevant. Australia is daily going more multicultural, industry must spread to survive. How many Aussie products are infact still that?
Must say though those red ties are very pretty, will look great on the QF float in the mardi gras.....
Originally Posted by JMEN
Then again QF wanting to outsource services instead of buying Australian made, yeah a huge comparison but the way Oz has been going for years.
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Here's an idea ! How about a shareholder motion for the next AGM be put forward to have an independent forensic accountant to have unfettered access to audit qantas in regards to the allegations of cross subsidisation accounting practices, reporting back to unions and management simultaneously. The way I see it, if the management have nothing to hide then the shareholder will have peace of mind that the management are not being uneconomical with the truth and can put to rest union suspicions of cost shifting. The management have made statements that this has not occurred so they should have nothing to lose. The shareholders have nothing to lose except hearing the truth which surely most would want to know. If the management have nothing to hide then this is a win win situation for them. If not, well ................................
Certainly it is a win win situation for shareholder.
What do you all think?
What does it take to get a motion up?
If it doesn't get up then it's almost an admission that there is something to hide !!!!
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Certainly it is a win win situation for shareholder.
What do you all think?
What does it take to get a motion up?
If it doesn't get up then it's almost an admission that there is something to hide !!!!
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Qantas to meet union chiefs today as IR rows worsen | The Australian
Qantas to meet union chiefs today as IR rows worsen
at Sat 27th Aug 12:09pm AEST
Wow, finally he wants to talk, this is encouraging for all concerned.
Keep the pressure up guys, its all good for the cause, well done.
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Qantas to meet union chiefs today as IR rows worsen
at Sat 27th Aug 12:09pm AEST
QANTAS chief executive Alan Joyce will meet senior union and ACTU officials today as industrial tensions at the airline grow.
Mr Joyce accused unions of wanting to go "back to the bad old days of the bully unions", and said Qantas was facing demands it had not seen before.
But unions called on the management to shelve plans to cut at least 1000 jobs and start an Asian airline, and said the profit result was at odds with claims Qantas International was doing badly.
"Qantas International is being made a scapegoat here to allow Mr Joyce to expand into Asia, offshore business operations and sack 1000 employees," Mr Purvinas said.
AIPA said the profit confirmed the value of the Qantas brand, and cast doubt on the Asian venture amid growing questions about the profitability of Qantas divisions.
But unions called on the management to shelve plans to cut at least 1000 jobs and start an Asian airline, and said the profit result was at odds with claims Qantas International was doing badly.
"Qantas International is being made a scapegoat here to allow Mr Joyce to expand into Asia, offshore business operations and sack 1000 employees," Mr Purvinas said.
AIPA said the profit confirmed the value of the Qantas brand, and cast doubt on the Asian venture amid growing questions about the profitability of Qantas divisions.
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