QF to EK on LWOP
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Atiuta's point of view mirrors my own.
Will EK allow aircraft to be parked? NO! They will get pilots from somewhere- anywhere actually.
I know who i'd rather fly with...
Also, our fascination with pay and conditions has worked well hasn't it?
Maybe for once take a different view. Is the package acceptable? If so, then...
Consider the overall VALUE of the package rather than the $$. In that is the true measure of the offer.
Will EK allow aircraft to be parked? NO! They will get pilots from somewhere- anywhere actually.
I know who i'd rather fly with...
Also, our fascination with pay and conditions has worked well hasn't it?
Maybe for once take a different view. Is the package acceptable? If so, then...
Consider the overall VALUE of the package rather than the $$. In that is the true measure of the offer.
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Qantas has too many pilots due to the transfer of business to J*. Now an offer to go to EK for 3 years LWOP yet there are over 200 pilots well into their 60s in mainline. Most have had a cream career! Very generous super, pay and conditions and yet junior F/Os, the group shafted the most by the LCC cancer, their careers completely - ucked now have to consider how they can salvage their career. To all the pilots in their twilight years reaping the benefits of super seniority and an extension of 10 years on what your original career term would have been, it's time to do the honourable thing and retire and give the pilots who will never have the career and financial reward you have had a go. You have millions in Super and hopefully property. Bight the bullet and leave with dignity knowing you helped save the career of so many aspiring younger pilots with the same passion you once had. You have moral obligation to retire gracefully.
End of rant.
End of rant.
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LR3.
Understand that you are bitter and twisted over the fact your career is not meeting your expectations.
JQ and VB are hiring. No-one is compelling you to stay in the Middle East.
Understand that you are bitter and twisted over the fact your career is not meeting your expectations.
JQ and VB are hiring. No-one is compelling you to stay in the Middle East.
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The devil will be in the detail. You would be very ill advised to assume that having accepted the offer you would automatically be entitled to return in a short to medium timeframe. My bet is that there will be a few conditional clauses hedging Qantas' obligations to take you back, such as "subject to suitable vacancies" and "qualified on type". Do the maths, 120 slots with negative growth with retirements only and you see my point, and you may have to finance your way back in ditto the JQ recruitment model.
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The devil will be in the detail. You would be very ill advised to assume that having accepted the offer you would automatically be entitled to return in a short to medium timeframe. My bet is that there will be a few conditional clauses hedging Qantas' obligations to take you back, such as "subject to suitable vacancies" and "qualified on type". Do the maths, 120 slots with negative growth with retirements only and you see my point, and you may have to finance your way back in ditto the JQ recruitment model.
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You are certainly making managements job easier,dividing and conquering each other,even Sun Tzu("The Art Of War") did not see that variation of the human condition!
Good Luck Boys.
Good Luck Boys.
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Well if they've been sitting around doing 30 hours a month, things will be different.
But your right, they'll get to do what they enjoy again AND on 'old technology'!!
capnroo, I suppose you're a 400 captain aren't you?, calling yourself capt n all..
But your right, they'll get to do what they enjoy again AND on 'old technology'!!
capnroo, I suppose you're a 400 captain aren't you?, calling yourself capt n all..
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Gents, (and ladies), I just stumbled upon this thread and have not read all the posts, so apologies if this point has been covered already.
In the two or three pages of threads that I did read, I noticed a recurring theme that any QF pilot who goes to EK will be offering EK his superior QF training and experience and that EK will benefit from this.
How do I put this without causing offence? Speaking as one who has been there, done that and still has a very tattered Sandpit T-shirt to show for it, allow me to offer some sage advice. If you want to have a happy life in the Sandpit, follow the advice a very experienced Brit FO gave to me many years ago and GO TO EK WITH AN ATTITUDE THAT (all) YOU POSSESS A BASIC PPL, for that's the way they'll treat you. Don't, whatever you do, do as all too many others have done in the past, and arrive there thinking that EK will actually acknowledge any of the experience you have.
In the two or three pages of threads that I did read, I noticed a recurring theme that any QF pilot who goes to EK will be offering EK his superior QF training and experience and that EK will benefit from this.
How do I put this without causing offence? Speaking as one who has been there, done that and still has a very tattered Sandpit T-shirt to show for it, allow me to offer some sage advice. If you want to have a happy life in the Sandpit, follow the advice a very experienced Brit FO gave to me many years ago and GO TO EK WITH AN ATTITUDE THAT (all) YOU POSSESS A BASIC PPL, for that's the way they'll treat you. Don't, whatever you do, do as all too many others have done in the past, and arrive there thinking that EK will actually acknowledge any of the experience you have.
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Well done AIPA
Heard from a reliable source AIPA has managed to negotiate with EK any QF Pilot taking up the offer will now also be able to wear his service ribbons as per the LH award...
Should tip a few more in favour
Should tip a few more in favour
uuummmmm MTOW;
I think you have read the wrong exec summary.
I think you have read the wrong exec summary.
Rumour now is EK having a big rethink about the whole proposal. More consideration along the lines of that if QF makes redundancies, then some may flow to emirates. So no need to make the offer subject to LWOP.
Interesting also that this initial proposal can be up and running within a week, yet LWOP to transfer to jetstar was/is like pulling teeth. Painful.
Wait and see what the smartest guys in the room propose on the 24th of August
Interesting also that this initial proposal can be up and running within a week, yet LWOP to transfer to jetstar was/is like pulling teeth. Painful.
Wait and see what the smartest guys in the room propose on the 24th of August
If QF makes drivers redundant, not many of those from the bottom will have Emitates requirements. All will be former S/O's with bugger all P2 time.
If Emirates want 120 QF drivers then the deal will have to stand.
If Emirates want 120 QF drivers then the deal will have to stand.
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MTOW,
I think the F/Os likely to go are experienced and have been well trained.
I will miss flying with them.
I doubt if any will go with arrogance that that they are somehow "superior".
If EK wish they could be checked to line quite quickly.
[as QF did with ex Cathay guys]
If EK treat them as PPLs and have huge training requirements then their management are more stupid and arrogant than they appear.
Everyone needs an open mind.
I think the F/Os likely to go are experienced and have been well trained.
I will miss flying with them.
I doubt if any will go with arrogance that that they are somehow "superior".
If EK wish they could be checked to line quite quickly.
[as QF did with ex Cathay guys]
If EK treat them as PPLs and have huge training requirements then their management are more stupid and arrogant than they appear.
Everyone needs an open mind.